Question about the DOJ Handgun roster expiration date

[Stavros]

If a certain model has an expiration date of say 1/24/2007 what exactly does that mean? The site says the manufacturer has to file for renewal, but if they do not does that mean that the handgun cannot be sold new? Thanks.

[ohsmily]

If a certain model has an expiration date of say 1/24/2007 what exactly does that mean? The site says the manufacturer has to file for renewal, but if they do not does that mean that the handgun cannot be sold new? Thanks.

Correct, you can't make a dealer sale of a handgun that is not on the list.

[nearsightednate]

It's my understanding that a manufacturer must re-submit a model if they want it to make the list again. There are new requirements that go in to effect on January 1, 2007. Every pistol submitted for testing must have a loaded chamber indicator visible from 24 in. as well as a magazine disconnect safety. Any previous models without these features must meet the new requirements before they are added to the list again.

This is how it was explained to me but I may have gotten it (partially) wrong.

Nate

[Shane916]

I thought the guns that are already on the list are exempt from the new regulations when they go to renew?

[ohsmily]

It's my understanding that a manufacturer must re-submit a model if they want it to make the list again. There are new requirements that go in to effect on January 1, 2007. Every pistol submitted for testing must have a loaded chamber indicator visible from 24 in. as well as a magazine disconnect safety. Any previous models without these features must meet the new requirements before they are added to the list again.

This is how it was explained to me but I may have gotten it (partially) wrong.

Nate

You almost have it right, and might have gotten it right but you weren't clear in your analysis...

If a gun is on the list now, and it is properly renewed and never actually falls off the list, then it does NOT have to conform to the new requirements. If a list is not on the list and a manufacturer wants to add it to the list on or after 1-1-07, then it must have BOTH the chamber loaded indicator and magazine disconnect. Again, if the handgun is on the list on or before 12-31-2006, and it doesn't fall off the list b/c of failure to renew, then it does not need to conform to the new regs.

[Stuka]

Last week when I was reading the new law, I read it as the weapon required either a loaded chamber indicator *OR* a magazine disconnect safety. I am almost positive it used the word or between those.

[nearsightednate]

Sorry, I meant to specifiy if they fall off the list. My mind got ahead of my fingers.

Thanks.
Nate

[Stavros]

So to be certainly safe is would be best to purchase before that date just in case the manufacturer forgets to renew. If they didn't renew in time, the revolvers would fall off the list, and the manufacturer would have to renew with the guns now needing the added features? Or would they be exempt from needing the features since they were already on the list previously but fell off.

This is too confusing, even worse since I am already at my one hangun per 30 days.

[ohsmily]

Last week when I was reading the new law, I read it as the weapon required either a loaded chamber indicator *OR* a magazine disconnect safety. I am almost positive it used the word or between those.

*Sigh* It is an "OR" for handguns added to the list in 2006, and an "AND" for guns added on or after 1-1-2007.... guns added to the list on or after 1-1-2007 need BOTH...GOT IT???

[Shane916]

So to be certainly safe is would be best to purchase before that date just in case the manufacturer forgets to renew.

Correct.

If they didn't renew in time, the revolvers would fall off the list, and the manufacturer would have to renew with the guns now needing the added features? .

Correct they would REQUIRE BOTH features starting 2007.

Or would they be exempt from needing the features since they were already on the list previously but fell off..

Only exempt if they REMAINED on the list and didn't drop off of it

This is too confusing, even worse since I am already at my one hangun per 30 days

You could still aquire more handguns via private party transfer.

[zefflyn]

If they didn't renew in time, the revolvers would fall off the list, and the manufacturer would have to renew with the guns now needing the added features?

Uh, revolvers don't need loaded chamber indicators, nor magazine disconnect safeties.

Single-action revolvers don't even need to be submitted for testing.

[halifax]

You almost have it right, and might have gotten it right but you weren't clear in your analysis...

If a gun is on the list now, and it is properly renewed and never actually falls off the list, then it does NOT have to conform to the new requirements. If a list is not on the list and a manufacturer wants to add it to the list on or after 1-1-07, then it must have BOTH the chamber loaded indicator and magazine disconnect. Again, if the handgun is on the list on or before 12-31-2006, and it doesn't fall off the list b/c of failure to renew, then it does not need to conform to the new regs.

At the DOJ's discretion, any firearm on the list can be required to be re-tested. They could use this, I suppose, to get guns off the list that don't have the newest safety features.

The SIG 220 in black (IIRC) fell off the list for a couple of weeks once, then re-appeared. Maybe the renewal paperwork didn't get processed before the expiration date. I'm guessing.

[grammaton76]

At the DOJ's discretion, any firearm on the list can be required to be re-tested. They could use this, I suppose, to get guns off the list that don't have the newest safety features.

I'm pretty sure that the re-testing is different from re-certification. The re-testing, from what I understand, is in order to try and get the gun to fail (i.e. discharge when dropped, etc) so that it can be yanked from the list.

BTW, I think the DOJ's limited to testing up to 10% of the list per year. I.e. they can't force a mass re-test every year on a "handgun witch hunt", which I'm sure they would like to be able to do.

[slick_711]

*Sigh* It is an "OR" for handguns added to the list in 2006, and an "AND" for guns added on or after 1-1-2006.... guns added to the list on or after 1-1-2007 need BOTH...GOT IT???

You go gettin all "ohsmily" on his *** but then you messed up the date yourself

[Fjold]

You go gettin all "ohsmily" on his *** but then you messed up the date yourself

It's getting not "gettin" LMAO