Need help with H&K P2000 models please

[genesmasher]

Hey CA gun gurus, can someone help me out

I am trying to buy a H&K P2000 from out of state (brand new, shipped directly from AZ FFL to my FFL in San Diego), but I am still not quite sure with regards if it can be registered here. The gun I am looking at is model number M709203-A5, part number 81000041 (9mm V3 that comes with two 13RD mags).
There is an H&K P2000 V3 on the CA-approved list. I think it is H&K part number 81000043 (9mm with 2 10RD mags, model 709203-A5), but I am not 100% sure, as there is no specific model info on the CA DOJ website - it only says "P2000-V3".

My question is - if I buy the gun *without the mags* and have it shipped here, will I have any problems registering it here as CA-compliant firearm? I mean, it's the same model number "P2000-V3", and I am not importing the "high-capacity" mags?..

[Harry Ono]

Have you tried contacting HK and see that they say what the difference between the two part numbers. May be only which mag is shipped with the gun.

[high_revs]

maybe reading too much into it. below is what ca doj listsfor the v3.


Heckler & Koch P2000 SK-V3 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.3" 9mm 01/01/21
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Heckler & Koch P2000-V3 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.66" 9mm 01/01/21


how does the seller describe it? is it just a v3 steel? i removed the other models and the OD color.



can't comment on mags as i've not been reading recent years. last i recall (feels like eons ago i'm behind) you cannot modify your maps anymore to 10 rds and ahve to have a ffl (licensed to do that service?) do it. but that was eons ago. i read another thread here april last year who bought incorrect magazines and seems others commented ok to block off and exchange?

[caliberetta]

Your best bet would be check directly with the FFL you plan to have this firearm shipped to. It often happens that one FFL might accept it and the other won't. Good luck.

[IVC]

FFL enters model number into the system. Normally, if there is a SKU listed on the roster, the FFL will want to match it or there is a risk for him if DOJ sees it as wrongdoing. Guns that don’t list SKU are generally easier because just the model has to match.

Either way, it’s the question for your specific FFl. Their rule.

[Mr. Blue]

Buying a “CA Compliant” gun without mags will not work. I was searching for a springfield mc operator part # PX9105MLCA, and came across many that were PX9105ML18. Same gun, different part #. Companies will issue the same exact gun with different part #’s for the CA roster. Only the guns that have been submitted and approved for CA can be bought here. I think in your case, this gun is not on the roster. Primarily because of the 13 round mags.

The roster won’t tell you the part #’s for HK pistols. I’m pretty sure since this gun came with 13 round mags from the factory, this is not the CA compliant model. When I bought my HKP2000sk a few weeks ago, my FFL had to access some database that I couldn’t to verify it was on the roster. To which it was. I did a quick google search of that part # and could not find it linking to being CA compliant. The seller will rarely be able to help you with this. And the FFL will most likely not want to as they are very busy and you haven’t hired them yet to work for you. Good luck, I may continue to try and find this out as I am curious how HK does their CA models.

[genesmasher]

maybe reading too much into it. below is what ca doj listsfor the v3.


Heckler & Koch P2000 SK-V3 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.3" 9mm 01/01/21
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Heckler & Koch P2000-V3 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.66" 9mm 01/01/21


how does the seller describe it? is it just a v3 steel? i removed the other models and the OD color.



can't comment on mags as i've not been reading recent years. last i recall (feels like eons ago i'm behind) you cannot modify your maps anymore to 10 rds and ahve to have a ffl (licensed to do that service?) do it. but that was eons ago. i read another thread here april last year who bought incorrect magazines and seems others commented ok to block off and exchange?

Thanks, your logic makes sense. According to the seller it is "Hk P2000 V3 COMPACT DA SA DECOCK 2 MAG 13R 9mm SKU M709203-A5". They said they would have no problem shipping it without the 13R mags.

I guess the other way to ask the question is as follows. If I buy a used P2000-V3 from out of state (without mags) and have it shipped to CA FFL to get registered, is there a way for them to find out which exact version of the gun it is, if the mags are not included and label on the box is missing? By serial number or something? I am pretty sure the only difference between this gun and the one on the roster is size of mags in the OEM package. They are both P2000-V3's with identical hardware and same list price, according to H&K website.



Yes, with Springfield they put specific model designations in the roster. Not so with H&K (and many others), which is what creates ambiguity. Of course if the FFL has access to some other database that lists exact particulars of each firearm and are able to identify each gun precisely, than it's probably a no-go... Does anyone know for sure? I don't want to bug my FFL unless I absolutely need to, they are busy right now as it is...

[Mr. Blue]

Thanks for the correction, however when I was buying my HK, I spoke to the DOJ and thats what they told me over the phone. It took them 5 weeks to respond so maybe it wasn’t somebody who really knew what they were talking about?

[Mr. Blue]

Yes, with Springfield they put specific model designations in the roster. Not so with H&K (and many others), which is what creates ambiguity. Of course if the FFL has access to some other database that lists exact particulars of each firearm and are able to identify each gun precisely, than it's probably a no-go... Does anyone know for sure? I don't want to bug my FFL unless I absolutely need to, they are busy right now as it is...[/QUOTE]

[genesmasher]

I’m not referring to what the DOJ Roster website says. I understand that it only describes the guns and does not provide specific MPN’s. The DOJ called me back and I asked them many questions. One was this: “Are there guns on the CA roster that have seemingly exact duplicates off the roster?” DOJ: “yes, each gun on the roster has a part # that must match the roster.”

I then ordered my HKp2sk, and had to double check with my FFL. I asked if he was looking at the same list I have access to. He said no, he has a live list that can change at any time. Something different than what we can access online.

I’m only sharing my experience and what people in the business shared with me. If you want to order the gun, just make sure the retailer is ok with you sending it back if it doesn’t work.

Thanks, sounds like you did a lot of legwork, I appreciate the info. I will send an email to my FFL, will report back what they say.

[Mr. Blue]

Its either legwork or no gun really. The same gun offered in different part #’s with different round mags. Looks to off-roster and roster guns here. Take it or leave it, just answering the question that you originally asked. These guns have specific part #’s. So you are mistaken by assuming that CA goes by a description. The website might, but when ran through DROS. Its a specific part # for each gun.

[genesmasher]

Well, just I got a reply from my local FFL - the owner confirmed that they will have no problem receiving and transferring it, as long as it is a "P2000-V3" like the roster says, no matter the SKU. Best shop in town