.45 Super

[Black Majik]

Anyone ever try .45 Super?

I'm getting a little bored with my handguns, and the thought of trying something different such as .45 Super from Buffalo Bore has always intrigued me.

It'll be going through my USPf .45, please share your experiences if you've ever tried .45 Super through yours.

Thanks

[Black_Talon]

Basically you'd be playing with a 45ACP "+P+" loading.

I don't see any advantage, since all the modern JHP bullets are designed to work as well as possible at standard velocities. I've never understood the "+P" versions, let alone something like the Super , with even more recoil and muzzle flash, not to mention the increased wear of the gun.

[BamBam-31]

Go 10mm.

[1923mack]

Dean Grennell had a bunch of loading data for the 45 Super, and the guy in Texas, cannot recall the name as I type this, did some government model conversions. Similar to the 451 Detonics magnum.

[cineski]

I'd dig this stuff for the woods gun. I don't think there's too many guns rated for .45 Super. I know the HK45/c is.

[blackbox]

I've been wanting to try .45Super out as well. It really seems like an ideal caliber, the mass of a .45, but moving at a proper supersonic speed.

[Schlamoo]

Dean Grennell had a bunch of loading data for the 45 Super, and the guy in Texas, cannot recall the name as I type this, did some government model conversions. Similar to the 451 Detonics magnum.

The custom 'smith who did the .45 Super conversions was Ace Custom. The Super is a hoot to shoot. I have a factory Springfield Armory 1911 .45 Super, first year of production. Most .45 Supers from Springfield came with barrel porting, if I recall correctly V12 for the 5" and V16 for the 6" barrel/slides. Mine is rather rare being shipped with out any porting.

While I don't see the .45 Super as a very good self defense or "tacticle" round like I said it is fun to shoot. The recoil is very snappy, very simular to the .451 Detonics, the advantage is you can shoot standard .45 ACP in the same gun. You can not do that with a gun set up in .451 Det mag as the case is too long. Long range or hunting applications would be the advantage to this cartridge.

[Kid Stanislaus]

You might take a look at the 460 Rowlan as well.

[sb_pete]

.460 Rowland is pretty cool too. but it has the same "problem" as the .451 Detonics, namely that you have to swap barrels and recoil springs in order to shoot it.

The nifty thing about .45 super is it loads in std .45acp mags and chambers. You could for instance, if you were in a unit that used 1911's (like alot of USMC and Army guys) or Mk23's (well...), load up .45 Super, and still be able to use the guy next to you's .45acp mags if it came down to it. Or if you had a supply chain of .45acp, you could still use .45 Super if you wanted to. That said, it has the "disadvantage" of being supersonic so it wouldn't be ideal for suppressed use in such situations.

Of course, if you are a normal mortal like the rest of us, .45 super might just be fun to try and doesn't require the purchase of any new gear

[B Strong]

Nice concept, stretches the envelope for the platform a little too much.

Go with a G20 or the .50GI conversion kit on a G21 if you want a bigger bang in a service size pistol.

[Black Majik]

Thank you all for the insight.

I did consider 10mm, but shy away from it because 1) I didn't want another 1911 2) I don't really want a G20 either.

If I could find a pre-MIM 1006 I would definitely consider it. However, it's a heavy pistol.

The main thing is, I feel more proficient with an auto-loader, otherwise I'd just get a 629 and call it a day. The main purpose would be for a hiking gun.

What was attractive about the USP shooting .45 Super was 1) weight 2) not needing to change anything in it (springs if I do choose to shoot more than a couple magazines through it) 3) and finally not needing to buy a new gun.

The .50 GI, isn't really a consideration since its velocity is still similiar in speed to .45 ACP./+p.

I don't plan to shoot much .45 Super out of it. I probably wouldn't even go through a whole box. However, I just wanted to see if anyone had any experiece with this cartrige.

Of course, I could always go on HKPro (and I have researched it on there). But, I don't regard their opinion as high as I do here.


(just thinking out loud)

[cineski]

Black Majik, check out these threads:

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90431

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77200&highlight=45+super

Seems nobody over there has a very good idea, either. The pressure of a 45 Super is quite a bit higher than what's rated nominal for 45 acp.

[Josh]

I load up with .45super when im out hiking around.

Shot a few boxes through my USP45F and it shows no signs of damage. I do swap the recoil spring out with a stronger one.

Lots of recoil and lots of noise, feels closer to a lighter magnum load through the USP.

[bugman]

The custom 'smith who did the .45 Super conversions was Ace Custom. The Super is a hoot to shoot. I have a factory Springfield Armory 1911 .45 Super, first year of production. Most .45 Supers from Springfield came with barrel porting, if I recall correctly V12 for the 5" and V16 for the 6" barrel/slides. Mine is rather rare being shipped with out any porting.

While I don't see the .45 Super as a very good self defense or "tacticle" round like I said it is fun to shoot. The recoil is very snappy, very simular to the .451 Detonics, the advantage is you can shoot standard .45 ACP in the same gun. You can not do that with a gun set up in .451 Det mag as the case is too long. Long range or hunting applications would be the advantage to this cartridge.

I have the SA V16 Longslide with ported barrel. It's fun to shoot with much more stronger recoil and fireball than the regular 45acp. It's fun to see reaction from other shooters at the range who get used to you firing 45 acp, then switching over to the booming 45Super which makes them look over and ask what happened..

[ChrisDM]

I have an alternate setup for my Glock 21SF for my 45 Super, but I also have a 10mm slide for it, and a 460 Rowland kit for my Kimber. The 10mm is the most reliable setup, and the 460 hits the hardest, by far. The nice thing about the 45 super for you though is that your HK can handle it right out of the box.

Chris