DryFire Practice

[MarikinaMan]

I assembled a little kit for dry fire practice. I got the DryFire mag below, and I must say, it feels real good. I'm ecstatic and excited.

I will received my Mantix X10 tomorrow, can't wait to get my 2 shot draws below 2 seconds consistently.

[rodralig]

I assembled a little kit for dry fire practice. I got the DryFire mag below, and I must say, it feels real good. I'm ecstatic and excited.

I will received my Mantix X10 tomorrow, can't wait to get my 2 shot draws below 2 seconds consistently.

That looks like a long reset. Speed and accuracy come from releasing the trigger up to the reset point (and should be ready to break once the gun comes back from recoil). Although there are exceptions, especially in the top levels of the sport; releasing the trigger much further is a waste of time.





Additionally, JJ Racaza explains the concept much better, to quote, "... how do you increase your speed without sacrificing your accuracy..."




Cheers,


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[LateBraking]

Nice, I have one of those DryFireMags as well.

Neat little trick I had gotten from Jerry Miculek's YouTube channel, glue some scrap picatinny rail section (M-LOK scrap keymod, whatever else you got) to the base of that DryFireMag and then mount the mantis to that.

Then you can use your regular holsters as well without having to modify them for the mantis, or get some custom holster for Glock + Mantis.

[rodralig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhBIdL3ngKs

Woot! That Holster Draw Analysis is one of my favorites of the new MantisX...!

Also, thanks for the link. I should add that to my Reference Library. Difficult to explain to people sometimes if you don't have any video content, etc.


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[LateBraking]

Also, thanks for the link. I should add that to my Reference Library. Difficult to explain to people sometimes if you don't have any video content, etc.

[Wordupmybrotha]

$100 bucks? I'd get it if it was under $25.

[MarikinaMan]

$100 bucks? I'd get it if it was under $25.

I bought it with a 20 dollar off coupon. Still pricey. But I have not been good with dry firing because I get bored having to rack a slide each shot.

With this, I can do 50-100 dry fires in 15 minutes, and move on to the rest of my day. I actually bought a Mantis X to go with it.

[Skip_Dog]

I also hate racking the slide. But I hate spending a C note too. I use G-sight and it is ok. If I had cash to burn, a dry fire mag would be great. Practice any way you can as long as you stay safe.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Looks like a great setup. I still rack the side like a pleb, or stick cardboard between the barrel and ejection port.

[MarikinaMan]

Oh, you can adjust the trigger pull. I have at set at 6 pound over the 4.5 on my pistol. My thinking is that a heavier trigger pull with be good to train with for better control.

[MarikinaMan]

That looks like a long reset. Speed and accuracy come from releasing the trigger up to the reset point (and should be ready to break once the gun comes back from recoil). Although there are exceptions, especially in the top levels of the sport; releasing the trigger much further is a waste of time.

That is cool and all, but there is no reset practice without the Dryfire mag during dry fire.

I will still be practicing with live rounds, but I will put tens of thousands of trigger pulls into this

[rodralig]

That is cool and all, but there is no reset practice without the Dryfire mag during dry fire.

Oh, there is actually a way... And many top shooters actually do and teach it all the time!


One is already mentioned below,

Looks like a great setup. I still rack the side like a pleb, or stick cardboard between the barrel and ejection port.

and you reset the trigger back to where the reset point is supposed to be! You are basically building muscle memory with the reps - as expounded by the 'dry fire books' written by the experts - Ben Stoeger, Steve Anderson, etc.



Another is what Robert Vogel does! See below at 0:56-mark. He also taught this in a class in Piru circa 2018. To quote, "... you should really be hitting dry fire hard, as it is the most important part of gaining trigger control."





In my case, I use the "Dry Fire Cord" in at least two drills. One drill is to draw to a target and fire 6-shots as fast as I can do against a "dead" trigger. Second drill, I set a metronome (currently at 260bpm) and fire off shots without messing up the sight picture/alignment as much as possible.

https://dryfiretrainingcards.com/blog/dry-fire-cord/

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[MarikinaMan]

Oh, there is actually a way... And many top shooters actually do and teach it all the time!


One is already mentioned below,



and you reset the trigger back to where the reset point is supposed to be! You are basically building muscle memory with the reps - as expounded by the 'dry fire books' written by the experts - Ben Stoeger, Steve Anderson, etc.



Another is what Robert Vogel does! See below at 0:56-mark. He also taught this in a class in Piru circa 2018.





In my case, I use the "Dry Fire Cord" in at least two drills. One drill is to draw to a target and fire 6-shots as fast as I can do against a "dead" trigger. Second drill, I set a metronome (currently at 260bpm) and fire off shots without messing up the sight picture/alignment as much as possible.

https://dryfiretrainingcards.com/blog/dry-fire-cord/

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I see what you’re saying. I’ve done all those, and as much as they mimic the action, none of them actually achieve anything close to what the DM does. Not saying they’re bogus, they’re not. I’m sure Vogel would approve if he gets his hands on one of this. That video is from 3 years ago. The DM was released last year I believe.

1) Jamming a cardboard spacer in the ejection port does not proved a wall or a break. There is no reset. It’s simply releasing the trigger.
2) Racking the slide will get wall and a break, but no reset, and no multiple shot dry fire practice with all those elements. I’ve done that and I will lose interest in 3 minutes flat.
3) Vogel is recommending faking a reset, prettY much like shadow boxing. I see the possible benefit, but there is no real reset. Something I’ve learned in live fire is that feeling the reset gets one to recognize how much to release the trigger and getting ready my for the next shot.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m no hot shot. I bought this to get better, and to keep me practicing. I have not improved much in the last 5 years. The mag is part of a system I put together with includes the Mantis X10 and a laser cartridge.

Just like my shot timer, I find great benefit in simulation and measurement.

At the end of the day, we all do what we can.

[rodralig]

At the end of the day, we all do what we can.

True that! Enjoy your training...


That said,

the Dry Fire Mag was way back, not last year. My first DFM magazine was in 2016. I ordered it when I first got into firearms (hence, my affinity for this "device"). It broke in 2018 and I got a new one. So, you see - I am NOT discounting the DFM (I still use it to this day, depending on what and how I would like to work on something)...


Oh, and BTW, Robert Vogel had a say about the DFM:



Although the video shows 2019, he actually endorsed it in 2016 or 2017, I would believe... That said, I would think he will NOT endorse the DFM in a Surefire-sponsored video, so...


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[MarikinaMan]

True that! Enjoy your training...


That said,

the Dry Fire Mag was way back, not last year. My first DFM magazine was in 2016. I ordered it when I first got into firearms (hence, my affinity for this "device"). It broke in 2018 and I got a new one. So, you see - I am NOT discounting the DFM (I still use it to this day, depending on what and how I would like to work on something)...

Although the video shows 2019, he actually endorsed it in 2016 or 2017, I would believe... That said, I would think he will NOT endorse the DFM in a Surefire-sponsored video, so...


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Ah ok. Their site says they were awarded Best New Product for 2019 at Shot Show. That must mean they were new to the show but not a new product. I may have considered it a gimmick product if I hadn’t seen the recognition.