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  • MarikinaMan
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 4864

    DryFire Practice

    I assembled a little kit for dry fire practice. I got the DryFire mag below, and I must say, it feels real good. I'm ecstatic and excited.

    I will received my Mantix X10 tomorrow, can't wait to get my 2 shot draws below 2 seconds consistently.

    Last edited by MarikinaMan; 05-26-2020, 5:45 PM.
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    rodralig
    CGN Contributor
    • Apr 2016
    • 4262

    Originally posted by MarikinaMan
    I assembled a little kit for dry fire practice. I got the DryFire mag below, and I must say, it feels real good. I'm ecstatic and excited.

    I will received my Mantix X10 tomorrow, can't wait to get my 2 shot draws below 2 seconds consistently.
    That looks like a long reset. Speed and accuracy come from releasing the trigger up to the reset point (and should be ready to break once the gun comes back from recoil). Although there are exceptions, especially in the top levels of the sport; releasing the trigger much further is a waste of time.





    Additionally, JJ Racaza explains the concept much better, to quote, "... how do you increase your speed without sacrificing your accuracy..."




    Cheers,


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    WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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    • #3
      LateBraking
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      • Jan 2013
      • 1628

      Nice, I have one of those DryFireMags as well.

      Neat little trick I had gotten from Jerry Miculek's YouTube channel, glue some scrap picatinny rail section (M-LOK scrap keymod, whatever else you got) to the base of that DryFireMag and then mount the mantis to that.

      Then you can use your regular holsters as well without having to modify them for the mantis, or get some custom holster for Glock + Mantis.

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      • #4
        rodralig
        CGN Contributor
        • Apr 2016
        • 4262

        Originally posted by LateBraking
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhBIdL3ngKs

        Woot! That Holster Draw Analysis is one of my favorites of the new MantisX...!

        Also, thanks for the link. I should add that to my Reference Library. Difficult to explain to people sometimes if you don't have any video content, etc.


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        WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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        • #5
          LateBraking
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          • Jan 2013
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          Originally posted by rodralig
          Also, thanks for the link. I should add that to my Reference Library. Difficult to explain to people sometimes if you don't have any video content, etc.
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          • #6
            Wordupmybrotha
            From anotha motha
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            • Oct 2013
            • 6965

            $100 bucks? I'd get it if it was under $25.

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            • #7
              MarikinaMan
              Veteran Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 4864

              Originally posted by Wordupmybrotha
              $100 bucks? I'd get it if it was under $25.
              I bought it with a 20 dollar off coupon. Still pricey. But I have not been good with dry firing because I get bored having to rack a slide each shot.

              With this, I can do 50-100 dry fires in 15 minutes, and move on to the rest of my day. I actually bought a Mantis X to go with it.

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              • #8
                Skip_Dog
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2017
                • 2656

                I also hate racking the slide. But I hate spending a C note too. I use G-sight and it is ok. If I had cash to burn, a dry fire mag would be great. Practice any way you can as long as you stay safe.

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                • #9
                  Dr. Peter Venkman
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                  • Oct 2006
                  • 4899

                  Looks like a great setup. I still rack the side like a pleb, or stick cardboard between the barrel and ejection port.
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                    MarikinaMan
                    Veteran Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 4864

                    Oh, you can adjust the trigger pull. I have at set at 6 pound over the 4.5 on my pistol. My thinking is that a heavier trigger pull with be good to train with for better control.

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                    • #11
                      MarikinaMan
                      Veteran Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 4864

                      Originally posted by rodralig
                      That looks like a long reset. Speed and accuracy come from releasing the trigger up to the reset point (and should be ready to break once the gun comes back from recoil). Although there are exceptions, especially in the top levels of the sport; releasing the trigger much further is a waste of time.
                      That is cool and all, but there is no reset practice without the Dryfire mag during dry fire.

                      I will still be practicing with live rounds, but I will put tens of thousands of trigger pulls into this

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                      • #12
                        rodralig
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 4262

                        Originally posted by MarikinaMan
                        That is cool and all, but there is no reset practice without the Dryfire mag during dry fire.
                        Oh, there is actually a way... And many top shooters actually do and teach it all the time!


                        One is already mentioned below,

                        Originally posted by Dr. Peter Venkman
                        Looks like a great setup. I still rack the side like a pleb, or stick cardboard between the barrel and ejection port.
                        and you reset the trigger back to where the reset point is supposed to be! You are basically building muscle memory with the reps - as expounded by the 'dry fire books' written by the experts - Ben Stoeger, Steve Anderson, etc.



                        Another is what Robert Vogel does! See below at 0:56-mark. He also taught this in a class in Piru circa 2018. To quote, "... you should really be hitting dry fire hard, as it is the most important part of gaining trigger control."





                        In my case, I use the "Dry Fire Cord" in at least two drills. One drill is to draw to a target and fire 6-shots as fast as I can do against a "dead" trigger. Second drill, I set a metronome (currently at 260bpm) and fire off shots without messing up the sight picture/alignment as much as possible.

                        Three of the biggest challenges for dry fire training are safety, setup time, and having to rack the slide between reps. Two of the biggest questio



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                        Last edited by rodralig; 05-27-2020, 9:32 PM. Reason: Adding clarification for Robert Vogel technique, Ben Stoeger and Steve Anderson

                        WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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                        • #13
                          MarikinaMan
                          Veteran Member
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 4864

                          Originally posted by rodralig
                          Oh, there is actually a way... And many top shooters actually do and teach it all the time!


                          One is already mentioned below,



                          and you reset the trigger back to where the reset point is supposed to be! You are basically building muscle memory with the reps - as expounded by the 'dry fire books' written by the experts - Ben Stoeger, Steve Anderson, etc.



                          Another is what Robert Vogel does! See below at 0:56-mark. He also taught this in a class in Piru circa 2018.





                          In my case, I use the "Dry Fire Cord" in at least two drills. One drill is to draw to a target and fire 6-shots as fast as I can do against a "dead" trigger. Second drill, I set a metronome (currently at 260bpm) and fire off shots without messing up the sight picture/alignment as much as possible.

                          Three of the biggest challenges for dry fire training are safety, setup time, and having to rack the slide between reps. Two of the biggest questio



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                          I see what you’re saying. I’ve done all those, and as much as they mimic the action, none of them actually achieve anything close to what the DM does. Not saying they’re bogus, they’re not. I’m sure Vogel would approve if he gets his hands on one of this. That video is from 3 years ago. The DM was released last year I believe.

                          1) Jamming a cardboard spacer in the ejection port does not proved a wall or a break. There is no reset. It’s simply releasing the trigger.
                          2) Racking the slide will get wall and a break, but no reset, and no multiple shot dry fire practice with all those elements. I’ve done that and I will lose interest in 3 minutes flat.
                          3) Vogel is recommending faking a reset, prettY much like shadow boxing. I see the possible benefit, but there is no real reset. Something I’ve learned in live fire is that feeling the reset gets one to recognize how much to release the trigger and getting ready my for the next shot.

                          Don’t get me wrong, I’m no hot shot. I bought this to get better, and to keep me practicing. I have not improved much in the last 5 years. The mag is part of a system I put together with includes the Mantis X10 and a laser cartridge.

                          Just like my shot timer, I find great benefit in simulation and measurement.

                          At the end of the day, we all do what we can.
                          Last edited by MarikinaMan; 05-27-2020, 9:41 PM.

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                            rodralig
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 4262

                            Originally posted by MarikinaMan
                            At the end of the day, we all do what we can.
                            True that! Enjoy your training...


                            That said,

                            the Dry Fire Mag was way back, not last year. My first DFM magazine was in 2016. I ordered it when I first got into firearms (hence, my affinity for this "device"). It broke in 2018 and I got a new one. So, you see - I am NOT discounting the DFM (I still use it to this day, depending on what and how I would like to work on something)...


                            Oh, and BTW, Robert Vogel had a say about the DFM:



                            Although the video shows 2019, he actually endorsed it in 2016 or 2017, I would believe... That said, I would think he will NOT endorse the DFM in a Surefire-sponsored video, so...


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                            Last edited by rodralig; 05-27-2020, 10:05 PM. Reason: Provided details on the history of the DFM

                            WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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                            • #15
                              MarikinaMan
                              Veteran Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 4864

                              Originally posted by rodralig
                              True that! Enjoy your training...


                              That said,

                              the Dry Fire Mag was way back, not last year. My first DFM magazine was in 2016. I ordered it when I first got into firearms (hence, my affinity for this "device"). It broke in 2018 and I got a new one. So, you see - I am NOT discounting the DFM (I still use it to this day, depending on what and how I would like to work on something)...

                              Although the video shows 2019, he actually endorsed it in 2016 or 2017, I would believe... That said, I would think he will NOT endorse the DFM in a Surefire-sponsored video, so...


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                              Ah ok. Their site says they were awarded Best New Product for 2019 at Shot Show. That must mean they were new to the show but not a new product. I may have considered it a gimmick product if I hadn’t seen the recognition.

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