CA7 vs used LEO made pistol

[Dennis]

I found a place to pick up a new CA7. Then today, I ventured into a LGS I've never been in. There was a used AR pistol there that was built and owned by a Law Enforcement Officer. I was assured it was built and registered as a pistol. It's a couple of bills more than the CA7. It seems like it has some quality parts. But in truth, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what is and isn't quality parts for an AR. I know it's built on an Aero Precision Lower. Is the Franklin Armory stuff worthy of this investment?

So my question is this.
Is it legal for a LEO to buy a lower, register and build it as an AR pistol?
Is there real value in this?
Is it worth the few bills extra over a CA7?

What can I legally do with this? My goal it to convert it into .300 blackout.
Is this loaded down with restriction like a rifle? Can I ever put a rifle but onto it? What about longer barrels and or forward hand grip.

Forgive me for being uninformed. But learning is one of the reasons I'm here.

[eliboudreaux]

Any Leo can buy anything,ar pistol any frame or any thats off roster,now once its theirs,if they want to sell it through PPT,they have to configure it with the CA legal condition


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[69ELKY]

If dros’d as semi auto get the LE pistol. I assume your plans for the Franklin is to convert to semi auto. Regardless which one you choose you can’t get around the fixed mag.

[Quiet]

LEOs are exempt from the CA unsafe handgun laws, so they can legally aquire a stripped receiver and build it into a handgun that does not violate CA assault weapons laws and CA generally prohibited weapons laws.

CA assault weapons laws prohibits a semi-auto pistol that does not have a fxed magazine from accepting magazines outside of it's grip [PC 30515(a)(4)(D)] and prohibits a semi-auto pistol from having a fixed magazine with a capacity of 11 or more rounds [PC 30515(a)(5)].

Federal laws and CA generally prohibited weapons laws prohibits a semi-auto pistol from having a shoulder stock installed on it. [26 USC 5861(f) and PC 33215]

Federal laws prohibits a Title 1 Handgun from having a vertical forward grip, unless it is first made into a BATFE approved Title 2 AOW. [26 USC 5861(f)]

[beanz2]

Is the argument whether a single shot AR pistol can be transferred and converted to semi-auto settled yet?


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[Quiet]

Is the argument whether a single shot AR pistol can be transferred and converted to semi-auto settled yet?

CA DOJ BOF is still adhereing to their stance that SSE2 pistols can not be modified into another configuration and that doing so is considered manufacturing an illegal unsafe handgun.

That stance is also staying with SSE2 pistols and has not encompased semi-auto pistols, bolt-action repeating pistols, lever-action repeating pistols, pump-action repeating pistols, & revolvers.


* SSE2 = dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols that have never been semi-auto and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols that have never been semi-auto.
* repeating = has a magazine capacity.
* single-shot = does not have a magazine capacity, cartridges are loaded/unloaded directly into/from the firearm's chamber.

[plumbum]

Is the argument whether a single shot AR pistol can be transferred and converted to semi-auto settled yet?

[S45]

Yes, but you specifically said “single shot” which is different from a “manual repeater” like the CA7, which is also on roster.

So if you buy a CA7 registered pistol, you can swap the upper to whatever else, making it semi-auto, as long as you have a maglock?
Or is that what Quiet is saying you cannot do in CA?

[beanz2]

CA DOJ BOF is still adhereing to their stance that SSE2 pistols can not be modified into another configuration and that doing so is considered manufacturing an illegal unsafe handgun.

That stance is also staying with SSE2 pistols and has not encompased semi-auto pistols, bolt-action repeating pistols, lever-action repeating pistols, pump-action repeating pistols, & revolvers.


* SSE2 = dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols that have never been semi-auto and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols that have never been semi-auto.
* repeating = has a magazine capacity.
* single-shot = does not have a magazine capacity, cartridges are loaded/unloaded directly into/from the firearm's chamber.

Thanks for the clarification, Quiet. Glad I don't have to keep up with all this terminology.


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[beanz2]

So, you still can't convert a manual repeater into a semi auto, right?


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[plumbum]

So, you still can't convert a manual repeater into a semi auto, right?


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You probably can’t convert a self-manufactured single shot AR pistol, because you ‘may’ do something illegal... maybe.

You can legally purchase an on-roster manual repeater, such as the CA7, and then modify as you see fit as long as you don’t break any other CA regulations, such as the AW laws - for example, adding a semi automatic upper onto a CA7 lower which has a fixed 10 round magazine.

[jsigone]

always pick the off list Consignment Gun....always

[SCVlongstroke]

Buy the LEO made if possible

[enorbit3]

I have a fixed mag ca7 and have put more than a few "extra bills" into it. Depends on what you want and the parts on the LEO pistol.

Just know that by purchasing the CA7 you're also helping out Franklin by supporting a company that allows Californians the opportunity to stick it to the Man and get in on the AR pistol action. That alone is worth it to me.

[madmike88]

Get the leo pistol and let me know where the CA7 is! [emoji16]

But seriously... PM me where the CA7 is I'd you don't get it!