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  • #16
    Wordupmybrotha
    From anotha motha
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2013
    • 6965

    Originally posted by squeeze
    You are still using only one eye. Which one is easy to determine. Place the gun as you suggested with the front sight on the bullseye. Now alternately open and close each eye. You will find that only one eye is being used on the bullseye as the "picture" jumps back and forth.

    I am the same way. L dominate, Right-handed shooter. I slightly feather my L eye and have learned to shut my L eye off. It can be done with practice.
    BTW this "problem" is not uncommon. Many are never aware of it until shooting.
    Yes, everyone has a dominant eye. But if the gun is centered between the eyes and if both eyes are open, then it stands to reason that your dominant eye will take over naturally without having to change hands as OP suggested.

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    • #17
      GlassJax
      Junior Member
      • Jan 2018
      • 94

      I’m right-handed and left-eye dominate. I shoot pistols right handed in a weaver stance, bringing the weapons across my body and aiming with my left eye. My pistol coach in the Marines when I first qualed told me to do it that way.

      Rifles, I shoot left-handed. I shoot pool left-handed too.

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      • #18
        Kestryll
        Head Janitor
        • Oct 2005
        • 21585

        Originally posted by Wordupmybrotha
        Yes, everyone has a dominant eye. But if the gun is centered between the eyes and if both eyes are open, then it stands to reason that your dominant eye will take over naturally without having to change hands as OP suggested.
        Not always, when I center the gun and open both eyes I see two front sights.
        It's great if there's two targets but...

        I'm left handed and left eye dominant but was taught to shot as a kid right handed and right eyed which meant I always had to close my left eye.

        Now I can flutter my left eye and temporarily switch dominance but it's a stopgap solution at best.

        What works best for me is rodralig's number 6, when I draw I let my right wrist follow it's natural flow which is a slight cant to the left.
        Think of it as throwing a punch, unless you've trained to do so most people don't punch with their fist straight up and down (12-6 o'clock), there's usually a cant to it and that's a good thing as the bones in the wrist and forearms are more naturally aligned.

        This places my front sight in front of my left eye and my grip is stronger and my wrist is better able to absorb recoil.
        This works for me but as has been stated, everyone is different and what works for me may not work for you.

        There's some value to being left handed in a right handed world, I was taught everything right handed and then learned most things left handed as well.
        It was a really rude surprise for my opponents when I used to fight in Western martial arts, simultaneous kills were often refought with the 'off' hand and I could use a sword almost as good left handed as right handed. Most of my opponents could not.
        Last edited by Kestryll; 04-10-2020, 10:42 PM.
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        • #19
          BillyMays
          Member
          • May 2019
          • 330

          I'm right handed and left eye dominant and the same goes for me.

          OP, I would strongly recommend shooting pistol with your dominant hand since it's easy to shift position to align with your dominant eye. The strength you gain from using your dominant hand is worth it, plus using pistols southpaw that were not designed that way can be inconvenient. For long guns there are more options so that I think either way is fine.

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          • #20
            Wordupmybrotha
            From anotha motha
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2013
            • 6965

            Originally posted by Kestryll
            Not always, when I center the gun and open both eyes I see two front sights.
            It's great if there's two targets but...
            Took my gun out and played with it just now to see how close the 2 front sights were. They weren't close at all. The image on the left was caused by my right eye and the image on the right was caused by my left eye. My brain automatically focused on the left image and it was clear. Maybe it's harder to do for some people if they got used to shooting with one eye closed.

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            • #21
              IVC
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jul 2010
              • 17599

              Originally posted by Wordupmybrotha
              Even long distances, I shoot with both eyes open - both rifles and handguns. At Angeles Ranges, I shoot the 100 yd steel plates with both eyes open also. Feels more comfortable than squinting one eye. I guess it's different strokes for different folks.
              The problem is not shooting with both eyes open, but shooting with both eyes open fast or shooting with both eyes open very accurately.

              Most Olympic precision shooters have some sort of a patch over the non-dominant eye. It keeps the eye relaxed, i.e., no need to squint, while at the same time it blocks the distracting extra visual input.

              Action shooting world is somewhat split, with enough shooters keeping both eyes open all the time and squinting during the final stage of pressing the trigger. Some top tier shooters will even close the non-dominant eye while shooting a single array.

              In action shooting, the real problem with both eyes open is the ability to tune out the secondary images in one tenth of a second or less and to prevent "incorrect brain input." If you push the speed and the sights on a target look more like a flash because you're pulling the trigger as soon as the gun is ready, there is too much information if your eyes are close to equally dominant. It's very similar to using three dot sights at high speed - it will slow down the recognition of the sight picture at speed because there are too many details at once. With both eyes open it's even trickier because of difference between convergence point and focus distance - not only is there too much information, but the amount of extra information changes based on the targets (distance and difficulty).
              Last edited by IVC; 04-13-2020, 1:11 PM. Reason: Spelling
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              • #22
                IVC
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jul 2010
                • 17599

                Originally posted by eighteenninetytwo
                As I've done this and tried a draw and aim, its actually become obvious to me that I am actually left eye dominant though a right handed shot. Huge issue? not an issue? Start over and shoot lefty? What do others do?
                Definitely not a huge issue, so it's a tossup between a small issue and a non-issue.

                The first and least disruptive step is to shoot with your dominant hand and line up the sights in front of your dominant eye. It's just a subtle shift of few inches in the position of the gun. Only if this doesn't work for you should you try something more intrusive.
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                • #23
                  rodralig
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 4262

                  Originally posted by IVC
                  The p .....
                  Side-comment...

                  Whoa!?! Dang! You always able to describe techniques, issues, problems, etc. in a concise and enlightening way. Some of the points you mentioned, I know, understand and experience; but, can't seem to put it into good words.

                  I guess it's back to what Einstein said, if you cannot explain something simply you just don't understand it enough... *sigh*

                  As the martial arts master would also say, "... enough talk, go back to training."



                  Originally posted by Wordupmybrotha
                  Took my gun out and played with it just now to see how close the 2 front sights were. They weren't close at all. The image on the left was caused by my right eye and the image on the right was caused by my left eye. My brain automatically focused on the left image and it was clear. Maybe it's harder to do for some people if they got used to shooting with one eye closed.
                  You must be one of the lucky ones!!! Oh, how I wish I were Right-eye dominant - would have made it a bit easier for me (especially for long guns).

                  Here is a video of yesterday late afternoon semi-dry practice session with Airsoft (no matches, and no accessible range; but then wouldn't want to risk going out).

                  With a pistol airsoft's effective range for a flat trajectory at 10-ft, the apparent size of the coffee can simulates the A-zone. See me squinting at the LAST moment.



                  _

                  WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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                  • #24
                    Wordupmybrotha
                    From anotha motha
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 6965

                    ^^lookin good

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                    • #25
                      Wordupmybrotha
                      From anotha motha
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 6965

                      Doug Koenig says he shoots with both eyes open IN ORDER to be a faster shooter.

                      Also interesting that he recommends left eye dominant folks to shoot with their left hand.


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