HK Match Weights

[iareConfusE]

Because HK owners will pay it.

This is probably the answer that makes the most sense. I guess I'm a cheapo atypical HK owner because there's no way in hell I'm paying that much for a chunk of barely machined metal.

[sigstroker]

Anyone put one on their USP?
Does it make a noticeable difference at all?

Why is a chunk of machined metal $180? I can't imagine a whole lot of engineering and R&D went into it considering it's just a weight that is clamped on to the front of the gun. So, what's the deal?

Because it has those two letters on it - Hi Kost.

[ar15barrels]

I guess I'm a cheapo atypical HK owner because there's no way in hell I'm paying that much for a chunk of barely machined metal.

Just make one yourself if you think it's easy...

[norcal77]

I got one on a full-size USP 9mm I received in trade, it was cool but it’s not very useful when it comes to holsters...pm if interested for a nice price

[iareConfusE]

Just make one yourself if you think it's easy...

I would if I had a machine. Never said it was easy since I don't have any experience or the tools, but I'm sure it probably is for any semi-experienced machinist/CAD designer.

[ar15barrels]

I would if I had a machine. Never said it was easy since I don't have any experience or the tools, but I'm sure it probably is for any semi-experienced machinist/CAD designer.

If you had to PAY someone else to do it, it will cost way more than $180 to design, machine and finish it.

[iareConfusE]

If you had to PAY someone else to do it, it will cost way more than $180 to design, machine and finish it.

Right. But if I already HAD the equipment and knowledge, it would basically be the cost of the metal. Which is what... $10? Maybe less?
My point is that HK already obviously has the tools and the knowledge. They're just charging a massive premium because... well.. HK. That's it. It might cost them a few bucks to make a match weight. I don't know why you're taking this thread any farther then it needs to.

[ar15barrels]

Right. But if I already HAD the equipment and knowledge, it would basically be the cost of the metal.
Which is what... $10?
Maybe less?
My point is that HK already obviously has the tools and the knowledge.
They're just charging a massive premium because... well.. HK. That's it.
It might cost them a few bucks to make a match weight.
I don't know why you're taking this thread any farther then it needs to.

Because you are comparing unit manufacturing costs with sale prices with no factoring of infrastructure costs.
HK might be able to make them for $1 but they also might have spent $100 million dollars in design/development/manufacturing-capability for their full product line.
So you have to charge more than your per-unit costs to pay for all those things and still be able to make a profit.

Let's say you had a small machine shop and you spend $500,000 on machinery, tooling, software and training to be able to make 1000 of those weights for $3 each or just 100 of them for $12 each?
What would you sell them for?
How long do you suppose it would take to sell them all to realize a profit?
What are your costs of sitting on product on the shelf for the years it will take to sell them?
How do you account for the opportunity costs of sitting on unsold inventory?

If you already HAD the capability, you would understand why they are priced how they are and you would not be asking so I will ask you the same question: Why did you even make this thread?

[iareConfusE]

Because you are comparing unit manufacturing costs with sale prices with no factoring of infrastructure costs.
HK might be able to make them for $1 but they also might have spent $100 million dollars in design/development/manufacturing-capability for their full product line.
So you have to charge more than your per-unit costs to pay for all those things and still be able to make a profit.

Let's say you had a small machine shop and you spend $500,000 on machinery, tooling, software and training to be able to make 1000 of those weights for $3 each or just 100 of them for $12 each?
What would you sell them for?
How long do you suppose it would take to sell them all to realize a profit?
What are your costs of sitting on product on the shelf for the years it will take to sell them?
How do you account for the opportunity costs of sitting on unsold inventory?

If you already HAD the capability, you would understand why they are priced how they are and you would not be asking so I will ask you the same question: Why did you even make this thread?

I knew the infrastructure cost response was coming. They likely already had all of that equipment to make their guns they were intended to be used on so it's really disingenuous to attribute a massive capital cost that was intended for something completely different towards a chunk of metal that has a fraction of the machining work of an actual firearm.

If I start a car manufacturing business and spend millions on robots, staff, software, etc and am already making a fair profit on my car manufacturing sales, it would be really crappy of me to develop a lug nut and sell it for $200 and tell people it's really expensive because I had to spend millions on my equipment and employees to make it, when you know that's obviously not a fair assessment of cost.

Point of this thread? At this point there is none, let it die.

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[SloChicken]

If you don’t like the cost, don’t buy it.

That simple.

HK doesn’t live and die on your money.

You want an HK but are pissed it isn’t offered at a hi-point budget.

Example,

I work in medicine.

It takes me all of 1 minute to administer a drug to you.

I takes me many years of education and experience, (not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars in cost to get there) to know what, why, how much and what to expect.

That is what you are paying for.

You, on the other hand, want to pay me for the one minute.

Got it.

[iareConfusE]

So when you administer a drug, does your clinic or hospital pay you several thousand dollars each time to compensate for the many years of education and tuition costs? No. They pay you a fair rate for your job. You're only reinforcing my point.

And like you say, don't like it, don't buy it. I never claimed HK stays in business off my money alone, if so they'd be long gone by now. I didn't like it, so I didn't buy it. I'm not sure who your audience for that comment is in this thread, but it ain't me.

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[SloChicken]

So when you administer a drug, does your clinic or hospital pay you several thousand dollars each time to compensate for the many years of education and tuition costs? No. They pay you a fair rate for your job. You're only reinforcing my point.

And like you say, don't like it, don't buy it. I never claimed HK stays in business off my money alone, if so they'd be long gone by now. I didn't like it, so I didn't buy it. I'm not sure who your audience for that comment is in this thread, but it ain't me.

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[ar15barrels]

I knew the infrastructure cost response was coming. They likely already had all of that equipment to make their guns they were intended to be used on so it's really disingenuous to attribute a massive capital cost that was intended for something completely different towards a chunk of metal that has a fraction of the machining work of an actual firearm.

If I start a car manufacturing business and spend millions on robots, staff, software, etc and am already making a fair profit on my car manufacturing sales, it would be really crappy of me to develop a lug nut and sell it for $200 and tell people it's really expensive because I had to spend millions on my equipment and employees to make it, when you know that's obviously not a fair assessment of cost.

So just because the infrastructure costs are partly paid for by other sales as well, the product that YOU want to buy should not be covering ANY of those costs.
Got it.