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  • jamesob
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 4821

    building ar pistol

    ok i got all my stuff to build a pistol and i have a clarification ?. some say you have to have a pistol marked lower and others say you don't. i searched around and found that it doesn't need to be marked pistol as long as it's never been a rifle. now since we are in commiefornia it makes it a little more difficult to build a pistol and here is where i need more clarity. if i can legally build a pistol from a "virgin reciever" at what point would i need to register it? what im saying is the new 4473 has a "other" box because it's not a handgun or rifle. if it is logged out as"other" could i dros it as other and build it into a california compliant pistol then do a volentary registration? because if the atf says i can build a pistol out of a virgin receiver, i should be able to do it that way right? bring the comments boys.
  • #2
    JeffM
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2007
    • 4359

    Is your Glock marked "pistol"?

    Mine's not.

    Neither will several of my other pistols, whichever platform they represent.

    The issue is not with the 4473, but with the DROS system. You are telling CA that it's either a Pistol or a Long Gun - there's not "other" option. May be fine federally, but according to the state it might be an SBR if you build a pistol on a lower DROSed as a long gun.
    Last edited by JeffM; 04-22-2009, 10:43 PM.

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    • #3
      jamesob
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 4821

      hey jeff, what do you think? if its a "other" could i do a volentary reg?

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      • #4
        JeffM
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 4359

        Originally posted by jamesob
        hey jeff, what do you think? if its a "other" could i do a volentary reg?
        How was it DROSed?

        I'm no legal-eagle but you might be on to something.

        Could a lower DROSed as a long gun be volreg'd as a handgun?

        That's a question worth looking into.

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        • #5
          jamesob
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 4821

          Originally posted by JeffM
          How was it DROSed?

          I'm no legal-eagle but you might be on to something.

          Could a lower DROSed as a long gun be volreg'd as a handgun?

          That's a question worth looking into.
          if the new 4473 has a box marked " other" and it's drosed as "other" then it wouldn't be a pistol or rifle. once built as a pistol (because its never been either a rifle or pistol ) i would register it as a pistol. now on the dros im not sure if if there is any other option besides pistol or rifle.
          Last edited by jamesob; 04-22-2009, 11:01 PM.

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          • #6
            JeffM
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 4359

            Originally posted by jamesob
            if the new 4473 has a box marked " other" and it's drosed as "other" then it wouldn't be a pistol or rifle. once built as a pistol (because its never been either a rifle or pistol ) i would register it as a pistol.
            There is no "other" option for the DROS system. That is what the OAL petition was about.

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            • #7
              Quiet
              retired Goon
              • Mar 2007
              • 30241

              Originally posted by JeffM
              There is no "other" option for the DROS system. That is what the OAL petition was about.

              http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=176408
              What he said.

              ATF 4473 = three choices. handgun, long gun, other.
              CA DROS = two choices. handgun, long gun.
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              • #8
                jamesob
                Veteran Member
                • Jan 2008
                • 4821

                Originally posted by Quiet
                What he said.

                ATF 4473 = three choices. handgun, long gun, other.
                CA DROS = two choices. handgun, long gun.
                ok, this may be a stupid question but does the 4473 and ca dros have to be logged the same since one is state and the other fed?

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                • #9
                  munkeeboi
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 4998

                  ok...there are 2 things going on here...Federally on the 4473 it will be ok if marked as other and in any other Free state this would be fine...BUT on the CA DROS it will be marked as a long gun as that the only choice since it is not a completed handgun and is not on the safe roster list. This is why people need to have them fully built into Single-shot pistols so that they can be marked as exempt on the CA DROS


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                  • #10
                    jamesob
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 4821

                    Originally posted by munkeeboi
                    ok...there are 2 things going on here...Federally on the 4473 it will be ok if marked as other and in any other Free state this would be fine...BUT on the CA DROS it will be marked as a long gun as that the only choice since it is not a completed handgun and is not on the safe roster list. This is why people need to have them fully built into Single-shot pistols so that they can be marked as exempt on the CA DROS
                    I understand that but would there be a problem if the 4473 said "other" and the ca. dros said handgun? at the fed level it would not be mfg. because it was logged out as other and i assembled it into a single shot pistol for the dros. now say if just picked up the stripped lower and it was drosed as a rifle that would not be correct either since it was not assembled into a rifle.

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                    • #11
                      ad6mj
                      Member
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 127

                      Originally posted by jamesob
                      I understand that but would there be a problem if the 4473 said "other" and the ca. dros said handgun? at the fed level it would not be mfg. because it was logged out as other and i assembled it into a single shot pistol for the dros. now say if just picked up the stripped lower and it was drosed as a rifle that would not be correct either since it was not assembled into a rifle.
                      As of yet, no NERF's in CA and it's not on the roster to DROS as a HG.
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                      • #12
                        Quiet
                        retired Goon
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 30241

                        Originally posted by jamesob
                        ok, this may be a stupid question but does the 4473 and ca dros have to be logged the same since one is state and the other fed?
                        Yes. They are done at the same time.
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                        • #13
                          jamesob
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 4821

                          Originally posted by Quiet
                          Yes. They are done at the same time.
                          i know they are done at the same time, but can the 4473 say other and the ca. dros say handgun?

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                          • #14
                            elrcastor
                            In Memoriam
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 963

                            the problem is that there are no on roster list AR pistols or frames, to be able to satisfy the roster it has to be an asembled and single shot, so it will be handgun on both forms.
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                            • #15
                              JeffM
                              Veteran Member
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 4359

                              Originally posted by jamesob
                              i know they are done at the same time, but can the 4473 say other and the ca. dros say handgun?
                              Yes, it can. The two don't have to match up.

                              The 4473 doesn't match the DROS when a stripped lower is marked as an "other" firearm on the 4473, and is marked as a long gun in the DROS system.

                              On the other hand, if an LEO who is exempt from the handgun roster requirements purchases a stripped lower (or 1911 frame or any other style), the 4473 would still say "other" while it could be marked as a handgun in the DROS system because of the LEO exemption.

                              So yes, it can be a miss match between the 4473 and the DROS system in that regard.

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