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This is my first post, and I have no idea if I'm doing this right, but here goes.
I’ve had this (crazy) idea for a while now.
From what I understand, you cannot purchase off-roster handguns in California from an FFL. The only ways that normal Californians can get these guns is by private party purchase, either from a LEO, someone who just happens to have an off roster gun in their possession (that isn't stolen of course), or someone who moved to California and brought the handguns with them. That’s what gave me an idea:
If I temporarily move to a more gun-friendly state, and stay there long enough to be legally considered a citizen/resident of that state, I could then purchase any handguns that I want. After acquiring as many off-roster guns as possible, I could move back to California and sell the guns.
So what if, before I left, I could take pledges or donations or payments to a company that I would own, and then use that money to purchase all of the guns out of state when I live there. I could then liquidate the company and move all of the guns into my personal name, and then I could move back to California, and “sell” each gun back to the person who sent money to the company for $1 or so.
I understand that as soon as I start selling guns and make a profit off of that, I would need to get a Federal Firearms License, and that would invalidate this private-party sale loophole, so I would have to ensure that when selling the handguns, I’d just be breaking even to keep this a legal, not-for-profit venture, though I would probably shoot for a loss of a couple cents or dollars per gun so that a prosecutor wouldn’t have any ground to charge me.
By the way, I’m a 17 year old high school student in Southern California, so I still have a few years to talk to people and figure out how to do this, if it can even be done at all. I figure because of my age I would have a relatively easy time moving out of state for college or what-not, because I don’t have any life commitments that would limit this kind of travel. I figured while I am out of state, I could buy off roster handguns to bring back to California.
Any ideas about how this could work better, general legal advice from anyone who understand the law better than I, or clearly-worded warnings about how I’m missing a big piece of the picture and that this would get me incarcerated for life — all of that would be greatly appreciated. (I understand that nothing here should be taken as legal advice, but posting a chunk of federal or state law that would either support or condemn this venture would be hard to argue against)
Also, if there are any firearms rights groups in California or elsewhere that take an interest in this, if you could consult your own lawyers about this and get back to this thread, I know we would all greatly appreciate the professional input.
I am dedicated to the protection of my rights as an American citizen and recognize how easily they can be undermined when the Second Amendment is unjustly and often needlessly restricted.
And lastly, if all of these ideas don’t pan out, is there anyone willing to support me in a kickstarter campaign in my attempt to garner the largest private collection of California off-roster handguns in the United States whilst I am a resident of a different state? Afterwards, I can move back, and I can enjoy my private collection in the beautiful California sunshine!
I’ve had this (crazy) idea for a while now.
From what I understand, you cannot purchase off-roster handguns in California from an FFL. The only ways that normal Californians can get these guns is by private party purchase, either from a LEO, someone who just happens to have an off roster gun in their possession (that isn't stolen of course), or someone who moved to California and brought the handguns with them. That’s what gave me an idea:
If I temporarily move to a more gun-friendly state, and stay there long enough to be legally considered a citizen/resident of that state, I could then purchase any handguns that I want. After acquiring as many off-roster guns as possible, I could move back to California and sell the guns.
So what if, before I left, I could take pledges or donations or payments to a company that I would own, and then use that money to purchase all of the guns out of state when I live there. I could then liquidate the company and move all of the guns into my personal name, and then I could move back to California, and “sell” each gun back to the person who sent money to the company for $1 or so.
I understand that as soon as I start selling guns and make a profit off of that, I would need to get a Federal Firearms License, and that would invalidate this private-party sale loophole, so I would have to ensure that when selling the handguns, I’d just be breaking even to keep this a legal, not-for-profit venture, though I would probably shoot for a loss of a couple cents or dollars per gun so that a prosecutor wouldn’t have any ground to charge me.
By the way, I’m a 17 year old high school student in Southern California, so I still have a few years to talk to people and figure out how to do this, if it can even be done at all. I figure because of my age I would have a relatively easy time moving out of state for college or what-not, because I don’t have any life commitments that would limit this kind of travel. I figured while I am out of state, I could buy off roster handguns to bring back to California.
Any ideas about how this could work better, general legal advice from anyone who understand the law better than I, or clearly-worded warnings about how I’m missing a big piece of the picture and that this would get me incarcerated for life — all of that would be greatly appreciated. (I understand that nothing here should be taken as legal advice, but posting a chunk of federal or state law that would either support or condemn this venture would be hard to argue against)
Also, if there are any firearms rights groups in California or elsewhere that take an interest in this, if you could consult your own lawyers about this and get back to this thread, I know we would all greatly appreciate the professional input.
I am dedicated to the protection of my rights as an American citizen and recognize how easily they can be undermined when the Second Amendment is unjustly and often needlessly restricted.
And lastly, if all of these ideas don’t pan out, is there anyone willing to support me in a kickstarter campaign in my attempt to garner the largest private collection of California off-roster handguns in the United States whilst I am a resident of a different state? Afterwards, I can move back, and I can enjoy my private collection in the beautiful California sunshine!
Where do you think all those BNIB off roaster handguns are coming from?
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