What do you say to someone

[Physical Graffiti]

So, you sold someone a New-In-Box From-The-Factory Sig Sauer P226R in 9mm... if they called you a week later and said, "My Sig is jamming every 5 shots! You sold me on it by assuring me Sigs were reliable, but I just talked to a friend of mine in New York and he says that Police aren't allowed to carry Sigs because they jam too much."

What do you say to that?

I told him to oil it so that it's dripping wet, then run some 124 grs. through it and if it doesn't work, send it back to Sig.

But I just can't believe someone would say that Sig Sauers "jam too much" for LE use...

[Mason McDuffie]

First I heard of that! My last squadron used the 226 and I never heard of anyone having that problem. Probably just needs to cycle some rounds.

[The SoCal Gunner]

You can tell him that the Irvine PD carries Sigs.

No need to oil it so that it is dripping wet.

Don't really know what you can do about it except to tell him to send it back to Sig if it is in fact jamming. I don't think you want to take the gun back especially since it is now used. Unless you gave him a guarantee, other than that the gun is NIB, I wouldn't take it back.

[Mason McDuffie]

COuld also be operator error. Maybe hes limp wristing it.

[Josh3239]

COuld also be operator error. Maybe hes limp wristing it.

That was my first thought. Tell him to stop limp wristing it.

[AdamM]

Never had a problem with mine-

Oakley PD and CoCo County Sherrifs carry 'em too

[tonelar]

SFPD has 229's
Sherrif's up in Grass Valley (Nevada County?) carry 220's

He sounds like a whiner... tell 'im NYPD can't afford Sigs. He's probably shooting reloads.

[zeb]

COuld also be operator error. Maybe hes limp wristing it.

My thoughts exactly. A limp wristed, soft handed shooter I recently met could not get my glock to function. Cases would not fully eject for him. It has been 100% reliable for me.

[tonelar]

offer to go with him on his next range visit

show 'im how it's done

[ArnFromVA]

On top of all the aforementioned LEOs using the 226, it's also the 9mm of choice for the Navy SEALs.

[AdamM]

On top of all the aforementioned LEOs using the 226, it's also the 9mm of choice for the Navy SEALs.

But didnt you know that the NYPD guns are put through much more strenuous testing and must endure much much more than the sidearms for the SEALs?

[Soldier415]

COuld also be operator error. Maybe hes limp wristing it.

My first thought too. Operator headspace and timing is a the root of a lot of problems.

Tell him to grip that weapon like a man and not a damned fairy.

He should be gtg

[leelaw]

But didnt you know that the NYPD guns are put through much more strenuous testing and must endure much much more than the sidearms for the SEALs?

Yeah, NYPD guns need to pass the "Does The Police Commissioner Like This Brand" testing.

Sigs are ultra reliable. When I hear of a Sig experiencing issues like that, I immediately suspect the shooter, ammunition, and magazines. When all three have been found to not be the problem, then I'll look at the pistol.

[AdamM]

Yeah, NYPD guns need to pass the "Does The Police Commissioner Like This Brand" testing.

Sigs are ultra reliable. When I hear of a Sig experiencing issues like that, I immediately suspect the shooter, ammunition, and magazines. When all three have been found to not be the problem, then I'll look at the pistol.

I completely agree. I would trust my Sig over my Glock. Not theat the Glock has done anything to prove otherwise, but still, I favor the Sig. I have around 1,400rnds through mine (I bought it in Oct.) and it has yet to jam, FTF, FTE, or anything else. It has been nothing short of perfect

[JDoe]

So, you sold someone a New-In-Box From-The-Factory Sig Sauer P226R in 9mm... if they called you a week later and said, "My Sig is jamming every 5 shots! You sold me on it by assuring me Sigs were reliable, but I just talked to a friend of mine in New York and he says that Police aren't allowed to carry Sigs because they jam too much."

What do you say to that?

I would tell him what everyone else said above and note that the following agencies use Sigs:

P226

* United States
o Arizona Highway Patrol (P226, P229, P239.40 S&W)
o Defense Intelligence Agency
o Federal Reserve Police Jacksonville Branch (.40 S&W)
o U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
o Massachusetts State Police (P226 DAK, .40 S&W)
o Michigan State Police (.40 S&W, DAK)
o National Park Service Law Enforcement
o United States Navy SEALs (P226 Navy under the designation of Mk 24 Mod 0)
o Ohio State Highway Patrol (.40 S&W)
o Oklahoma Highway Patrol (.357 SIG)
o Rhode Island State Police (P226 DAK, .357 SIG)
o Texas Highway Patrol (.357 SIG DAK)
o Texas Rangers
o Virginia State Police (P229 .357 SIG)
* Germany
o Berlin Spezialeinsatzkommando
* United Kingdom
o British Armed Forces under the designation L105A1
o British Armed police
* Canada
o Canadian Forces.
o Nova Scotia Department of Natural Resources Conservation Officers
o Ontario Provincial Police
o CN Railway Police
o Royal Canadian Mounted Police
o Royal Newfoundland Constabulary
o Newfoundland and Labrador Department of Natural Resources Conservation Officers (.40 S&W)
* Finland
o Finnish Army
* India
o Indian Army
o Parachute Regiment (India)
o MARCOS (India)
o National Security Guards
* Ireland
o Emergency Response Unit (Garda)
o Irish Army Rangers
* Iran
o Adopted it for use under license by Defense Industries Organization as the ZOAF and, currently, as the PC9 pistol
* Iraq
o Kurdish Special Forces
o MNF-I
* Indonesia
o Gegana
o Denjaka
o Satgas Atbara
o Kopaska
o Kopassus
* Israel
o Sayeret Duvdevan
* Japan
o Special Assault Team
o Special Boarding Unit[7]
* Mexico
o The Mexican Army uses the P226 Tactical
o The Mexican Marine Corps use the P226
* Malaysia
o 10 Paratrooper Brigade
o Grup Gerak Khas
o General Operations Forces
* New Zealand
o New Zealand Army
* Poland
o Polish Navy (GSP FORMOZA)
* Philippines
o Philippine National Police
o National Intelligence Coordinating Agency
* Slovenia
o Slovenian Army (ESD - Special Forces)
* Singapore
o Singapore Armed Forces
* Spain
o Grupo Especial de Operaciones (GEO)
* Sweden
o Swedish Police
* Venezuela
o Fuerza Armada Nacional
* Republic of Korea
o South Korean Army

P228

* Albania
o RENEA
* United Kingdom
o SAS
* Canada
o Service de police de la Ville de Laval
* France
o GIGN
* Japan
o Special Assault Team
o Special Security Team
* Malaysia
o General Operations Forces
* Sweden
o Swedish Police
* United States
o United States Navy SEALs (Under designation as the M11)[8]
o United States Army Criminal Investigation Command
o National Park Service
o United States Naval Criminal Investigation Service
o United States Navy, Naval Aviation
o United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations
o New Jersey State Police
o Delta Force (1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta)
o Task Force 11
o Federal Bureau of Prisons, Special Operations Response Team (SORT)
* United Arab Emirates
o Abu Dhabi Police
o Abu Dhabi Police SWAT Team
o UAE Special Forces
o UAE Army
o Dubai Police SWAT Team

P229

* United Kingdom
o British Armed Forces (L117A2)
o MOD Police
* United States
o Nevada Highway Patrol (.40 S&W)
o United States Naval Criminal Investigation Service (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
o Connecticut State Police (.40 S&W)
o North Carolina State Highway Patrol (P229 DAK, .357 SIG)
o Virginia State Police (P229 DAK, .357 SIG)
o Vermont State Police (P229 DAK, .40 S&W, carried with an issued, underlug-mounted Surefire X200 light)
o United States Department of Homeland Security
+ Federal Air Marshal Service (.357 SIG)
+ United States Coast Guard (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
+ Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
+ United States Secret Service (.357 SIG)
o United States Department of State - Diplomatic Security Service (P229 Rail, 9 mm)
o Federal Reserve Police (.40 S&W) May have used. Federal Reserve (Federal Protection) are now seen with the S&W M&P (.40)
o United States Postal Inspectors (P229R DAK, .40 S&W)
o Texas Highway Patrol (.357 Sig)
* Template:Bangladesh