The CA HSC

[cdtx2001]

After reading a couple threads about handguns in CA, I've got a few issues I'd like to have clarified that involve the the handgun safety certificate. That way, when someone asks me about it, I don't sound like a horse's arse. I figured that I'd put this up to the experts.

I've been collecting firearms for quite a while, and I got that silly HSC when the state of CA realized they could collect $25 from people every 5 years. Well, it has expired and I haven't seen anything that I REALLY wanted to buy and therefore haven't gotten a new HSC.

My understanding was that the HSC was required for the purchases of handguns. It was written proof that you met the minimum(and I mean minimum) standards of gun safety and were given the blessing to purchase handguns. All the HSC is, for me, permission to buy handguns. It is not required to take with you when you go shooting or any other time you have your guns with you.

I bring this up because I was talking with a lady at a store and she was talking about going shooting at a range. I suggested that she go out to an open field where everyone else goes. She said that if she did that she would lose her HSC, and that having a HSC meant that she could only shoot at a sanctioned shooting range. I said that was baloney because her HSC was merely a permit that allowed her to purchase handguns and that it didn't restrict her from legally shooting her gun somewhere other than a range.

If you can see what I'm getting at with the HSC, please chime in. Thank you in advance for your input.

[Shane916]

Like you said, the HSC is merely for purchasing/acquiring handguns. It's not something that can be revoked per-say. Unless of course you are prohibited from firearms then it's moot point I suppose. In essence, she has no idea what she's talking about.

[Full Clip]

Erg, this thread reminds me that mine is expired...

[fairfaxjim]

Where does this crap come from??
The HSC is required only for the transfer of a handgun, including a personally loaned one, not just sales. That is the ONLY time you will need it. How in the hell could she lose her HSC if she went shooting in an open field - she planning on losing her purse?? She does not need it to posess a handgun, shoot at a range, or for ANY other purpose. It is simply a way for the legislature to camp on more hoops to jump through to purchase a handgun and really serves no purpose other than to discourage some from purchasing. The DOJ doesn't even actually keep a record of who is issued one, that is the instructor's responsibility, they only know which instructor purchased which certificate numbers from them.

[kenjimatic]

State just needed another way to collect money from civilians. I'm still mad at the fact that they don't have the test in multiple laguages. I've contacted DOJ twice. The first time told me that it was up to the dealers discrestion for me to translate for a relative. Second time I contacted them I requested them to send me a copy so I can have it translated and send it back or have a state interpreter have the test written in my language, and they told me that either the dealer allow me to translate or pay a state interpreter to translate. I don't know why us, minorities, have to pay more for a test that we are going to pay for already. Which is pretty much useless because anyone who fails the test shouldn't be near a gun of any type(even a air gun). I'm sorry if I sound like an arse but I'm still venting..

[Shane916]

Which is pretty much useless because anyone who fails the test shouldn't be near a gun of any type(even a air gun).

Ah, but with this logic you are in essence taking away the 2A right to those who may have a slight handicap or may be illiterate.

[Requiem]

I'm sorry, I don't mean to butcher this thread, but if you can't read the country language then IMO you aren't considered a citizen of the country and shouldn't have that right...

But of course I'm sure that would be unconstitutional so don't go flaming me. I get it.

[kenjimatic]

Ah, but with this logic you are in essence taking away the 2A right to those who may have a slight handicap or may be illiterate.

Yes, you are right. Like I stated, I'm still venting and it just came out and I do apologize to those who felt offended.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to butcher this thread, but if you can't read the country language then IMO you aren't considered a citizen of the country and shouldn't have that right...

But of course I'm sure that would be unconstitutional so don't go flaming me. I get it.

True, but there is a reason why the Hmong people are here in the United States and that is the United States promised to save us from the communist if we were to help the United States troops during the war and the United States pulled out their troops and left the Hmong people for dead in the jungles of Laos, as of now there is still a genocide going on in Laos. Now the govornment decideds to help the Hmong refugee's and now we are here in the United States except for the ones left behind in Laos. Google "CIA secret war" and you'll see what I mean.


I really do apologize for taking this thread far off it's topic and this will be my last post about this.

[fairfaxjim]

I really do apologize for taking this thread far off it's topic and this will be my last post about this.

You really can't get much further off the topic than most CA firearms laws, so maybe you aren't transgressing as far as you think.

[cdtx2001]

Thanks for all your help on this. I wanted to make sure I wasn't losing my mind.

I just wonder how many other gun owners out there also have this mind set.

On another subject, how many times have you invited someone to go shooting and they ask you if you have a license for your guns? Then you have to explain that you only need a license to hunt or carry a loaded conceled on your person.

[kenjimatic]

Thanks for all your help on this. I wanted to make sure I wasn't losing my mind.

I just wonder how many other gun owners out there also have this mind set.

On another subject, how many times have you invited someone to go shooting and they ask you if you have a license for your guns? Then you have to explain that you only need a license to hunt or carry a loaded conceled on your person.

They're probably just afraid because they don't know the gun laws. Before I bought my first gun I also had the same feeling just didnt want to get into trouble, but thanks for this great site and the informative members my knowledge has grew tremendously. Thank you CalGunners