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  • sbo80
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 2265

    diagnose my glock malfunctions

    first - spare me the "glocks don't malfunction" or "should have kept it stock". I'm aware . I picked up a complete 34Gen3 lower, so decided to piece together an upper instead of getting a complete OEM one. Unfortunately I'm getting malfunction city so looking for pointers before I take it to an actual smith. Build list is a mixmaster, it's got zev internals, a storm lake ported barrel, and a slide from a company you probably never heard of. This is to be a competition gun, not carry/hd. I have others for that.

    I get FTF every round. First chamber and fire is fine, second round is grabbed off the mag, and stops with nose about half way up feed ramp. Also, if I chamber a single round with no magazine, I get FTE, kind of. The fired shell does not eject fully and catches vertically in the port, case opening up. Both of these occur 100% of the time. Doesn't matter how full the mag. It does lock back on empty mag if last round. Felt recoil is hard to say, it's 9mm, and I usually shoot a G19, so maybe it's less, I can't really tell, if it's different it's not a lot.

    I've used federal and wwb 115gr ball. I've tried several ETS and magpul 10rd mags, new. Also tried a 17lb recoil spring and 15lb. All combinations, identical results every time. My suspicions point to the recoil weight, and I want to say I need to try lighter springs since I don't seem to have the recoil to fully eject properly, and it could barely be short stroking and not having enough pull to feed. The slide could be hanging up somewhere I guess, or not locking/unlocking the barrel correctly, but I don't feel any unusual drag when hand racking, it's no more difficult than my stock G19. I didn't expect the slide/frame fit tolerance to be that demanding, not like a 1911, but I could be wrong. And I don't expect that just going to 124gr or certainly 147gr will solve this.

    What say the free advice of calguns, before I go pay for advice elsewhere?
  • #2
    Mystery_Milk
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2017
    • 541

    Do you have pictures? Particularly of the chamber and feed ramp, and where the casings are on failure.
    The first thing I would do is get a stock Glock magazine and try again. It's also completely possible you got a lemon from Storm Lake, I've heard of it before and I think they got it replaced. It's also possible the slide is causing problems. It's hard to tell without seeing and being able to play around with it.

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    • #3
      sbo80
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 2265

      no pics. I don't really suspect magazine issue since I still have problems with an empty magwell. The chamber/ramp looks fine, no scuffs or dents, nothing obvious. I couldn't tell if the angle is off or something at the manufacturer level. I know I'm fishing with few details, hoping something stands out to someone else. Previously I've only done AR builds.

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      • #4
        Mystery_Milk
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2017
        • 541

        How about the angle and polish? Compare it with your 19.
        Honestly getting a FTE when only loading a round with no magazine isn't unusual with a Glock. See https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....thout-Magazine and https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...oblems.710767/. So I wouldn't be too fast to dismiss an aftermarket mag not working well with an aftermarket barrel ramp.

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        • #5
          jj19
          Member
          • May 2012
          • 194

          How about trying stock Glock slide internals and recoil spring then go from there. My experience with a Zev ultimate trigger kit was not satisfactory.

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          • #6
            divingin
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2015
            • 2522

            Originally posted by sbo80
            I get FTF every round. First chamber and fire is fine, second round is grabbed off the mag, and stops with nose about half way up feed ramp. Also, if I chamber a single round with no magazine, I get FTE, kind of. The fired shell does not eject fully and catches vertically in the port, case opening up. Both of these occur 100% of the time.
            If it were me, I'd be looking at short stroking. Both the chambering and the incomplete ejection could easily be caused by the slide not fully cycling.

            If you chamber a single round on an empty mag, does the slide lock back? That's not a fool-proof indicator (as the slide will normally come forward a bit before locking open), but it's better than nothing.

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            • #7
              tonyxcom
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2011
              • 6397

              Who make the slide? I bet that's your problem.

              Your biggest issue is you don't have any known good parts to troubleshoot with.

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              • #8
                dennis1979gm
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 524

                Sounds like it may be over sprung with the ported barrel? What lbs recoil spring do you have in it? That or barrel (feed ramp) or breach is out of spec. I also had bad experience with zev springs, trigger parts.
                ]If its not a COLT its a COPY!

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                • #9
                  hermosabeach
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 19350

                  When you cycle the slide by hand, how does it feel?

                  Smooth / Gritty? can you wiggle it side to side when it is 1/2 way open?

                  Do you have a stock glock to compare to the new one?
                  If yes-
                  remove the recoil springs and open 1/2 way. lightly twist the slide- is the play similar?


                  Your phone- is it new?
                  Set video and slow motion to record in 4K. add some grease pencil marks on the slide, fire 10 shots. Does slow motion show you how far the slide is moving back?

                  Where is the brass ejecting? With an AR, you determine over gassed/ under gassed- IE bolt speed- with where the brass lands....

                  is the brass ejecting far or not far?

                  fire 3 dry and then over lube the gun- fire 3 more- does the impact area of the brass change?


                  I know on the Suarez site, the melted in RMR is popular. If you don't use 124-147 and relatively hot ammo, malfunctions are common.

                  you have a lot of variables... tough to figure out what is the real issue-
                  slide too tight- recoil spring too much with comp
                  Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                  Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                  Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                  Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                  (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                  • #10
                    hermosabeach
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 19350

                    last thought- do you have a stock barrel? Eliminate the porting question?

                    If not, rent the same model glock at a range- swap barrel - swap recoil spring-does your slide now run?
                    Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                    Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                    Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                    Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                    (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                    • #11
                      oddjob
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2397

                      How is the extractor? Is it too tight? You indicated you have other Glocks so I would swap out the extractor and shoot it.

                      Good Luck and keep us updated.

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                      • #12
                        bruss01
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 5336

                        Glocks don't malfunction - problem is psychosomatic.

                        You're welcome, any time...
                        The one thing worse than defeat is surrender.

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                        • #13
                          boopiejones
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2014
                          • 2044

                          Do you have a stock 17 or 34 upper that you can throw on the frame to troubleshoot? Then replace one piece at a time until the problem comes back.

                          I’ve had good luck with the no name eBay slides, but I have had problems with storm lake barrels and so have my friends. My money is on the barrrel being the culprit.
                          my Benitez goes to 11

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                          • #14
                            Yodaman
                            Veteran Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 2749

                            Originally posted by bruss01
                            Glocks don't malfunction - problem is psychosomatic.

                            You're welcome, any time...


                            Hahah someone had too!

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                            • #15
                              JTROKS
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 13093

                              My G35 with a LW 40-9 conversion barrel will not cycle reliably with factory 115 grain ammo unless they are +p rated. Keep in mind the conversion barrel is heavier than factory 35 or 34 barrel. Using 13 lb ISMI recoil spring with a steel guide rod it will cycle reliably with 115 grain ammo, but the brass does not eject more than 3 feet.

                              As mentioned by a reply it seems your gun is short stroking. Get some factory 125 grain ammo or if you reload load up some that’s at max per reputable reloading manual.
                              The wise man said just find your place
                              In the eye of the storm
                              Seek the roses along the way
                              Just beware of the thorns...
                              K. Meine

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