POA vs POI Question.

[anonymouscuban]

OK guys. Say you're running a pistol with combat sights. Sight picture should look like #3. POA=POI.

Instead, you use a 6 o'clock hold like #1.

At 12 yards, where would you expect the POI to occur?

Would it be roughly 2" below the round target?

Approximate guys. I know ballistic of the bullet will play into this as well. Just looking for a ballpark.

[Sheldon]

The shots will land where the white dot is.

[anonymouscuban]

The shots will land where the white dot is.

Hahaha. How stupid am I? You can tell me. I won't cry.

I am such a maroon!

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[SAD338]

Last I heard, they still use the 6 o'clock hold in the bullseye game. For 'practical' distances, I prefer POA/POI especially if you're using a fiber optic so you just 'drive the dot' much like you would with a red dot.

[tbc]

What pistol?


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[anonymouscuban]

What pistol?


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SP-01 running CGW rear comp blacked out sight and Dawson front FO sight.

They're definitely POA=POI sights like in pic #3.

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[jimster716]

What pistol?


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[anonymouscuban]

Yup. Combat sights inherently have the POA and POI of pic #3. I think Target sights are #1, right?

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[tbc]

[rodralig]

#3 at what range? I would assume 25-yards because most pistols are sighted from the factory at that range...

If so, should the shot be approximately on target at 12-yards when using #1?

AFAIK, Target is #1, Bullseye is #2 and Combat is #3.

[bombadillo]

I said all of my personal pistols up for a 600 hold because I like consistency and it's what I'm the most comfortable with.

[anonymouscuban]

I said all of my personal pistols up for a 600 hold because I like consistency and it's what I'm the most comfortable with.

Consistency is the key point there.

And just to confirm my understanding of all this, the sight picture is a function of the type of sights you have on the firearm and not the firearm itself. There seems to be a lot of confusion on this based on some of the interweb conversations I read.

Basically, sights are set to one of the 3 sight pictures the desired point of impact at a constant distance. It's not interchangeable. At least at a constant distance. Not talking about adjusting your POA to account for bullet drop at distance.

Say you have 3 copies of the same firearm. Only difference between the 3 are the type of sights each have. One is 6 o'clock, the 2nd is target hold and the 3rd is combat hold. Just like in the pic in my OP.

Even though the sight picture is different in each, the point of impact will be the same. I think many understand this a just personal preference of what hold they use. Not so. At least if I get this correctly. So if you take the gun with the combat sight setup (#3) and you aim with a 6 o'clock hold, you will miss the bullseye. The point of impact will be below it.

Again, this is how I understand this all and I could be wrong. It's important to know though.

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[divingin]

Last I heard, they still use the 6 o'clock hold in the bullseye game. For 'practical' distances, I prefer POA/POI especially if you're using a fiber optic so you just 'drive the dot' much like you would with a red dot.

Actually, a lot of bullseye shooters have gone to "area aim" (a fancy term for a sub-6 o'clock hold.) The sights are aligned in an area below the bottom edge of the bull. The black sights on the all-white (or buff) background gives better contrast with less tendency to lose the definition by drifting into a black-on-black sight picture. Since sight alignment is much more critical than sight to bull placement, the tradeoff works out in the long run.

FWIW, for the OP's original question, every one of those would put shots on or near (within a quarter of bull diameter) the black no matter which was interchanged.

Pretty simple: Any of the three guns will put a shot where it is sighted for. Move the sights relative to the target and the shot will move by the corresponding amount.

A gun sighted for 1, and aimed for 3, will be above the black by the amount covered from dot to the top of the sight (appears to be about a quarter of the bull diameter. Conversely, a gun sighted for 3 and shot as the first pic will deliver a shot low by the same amount. A gun sighted for 1 and shot as 2 will put the bullet on the top edge of the black.

[anonymouscuban]

Actually, a lot of bullseye shooters have gone to "area aim" (a fancy term for a sub-6 o'clock hold.) The sights are aligned in an area below the bottom edge of the bull. The black sights on the all-white (or buff) background gives better contrast with less tendency to lose the definition by drifting into a black-on-black sight picture. Since sight alignment is much more critical than sight to bull placement, the tradeoff works out in the long run.

FWIW, for the OP's original question, every one of those would put shots on or near (within a quarter of bull diameter) the black no matter which was interchanged.

Pretty simple: Any of the three guns will put a shot where it is sighted for. Move the sights relative to the target and the shot will move by the corresponding amount.

A gun sighted for 1, and aimed for 3, will be above the black by the amount covered from dot to the top of the sight (appears to be about a quarter of the bull diameter. Conversely, a gun sighted for 3 and shot as the first pic will deliver a shot low by the same amount. A gun sighted for 1 and shot as 2 will put the bullet on the top edge of the black.

Thanks for adding to the conversation. Yeah, once I made the OP, I quickly realized how obvious the answer was to my query. LOL Sometimes we over think things even though the answer is quite literally, in this case, in front of our eyes.

That said, I think a lot can be gleaned from the comments added. Especially for those just starting out.

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[SAD338]

Interesting points, especially about bullseye as I never shot that discipline.
I also think that this whole 6 o'clock vs 12 o'clock will become even less relevant once red dots become more commonplace.