9mm gun, G19 or SP01/P01 or P2000?

[BucDan]

Will be a range and bedside gun. I don't like specifying guns for specific duties.

I slept right after posting the thread, and sleeping on it, I think I'll pass on the P2000 for sure. Seems I can get more value from the other guns listed. If the P2000 is a great secret, it'll be that way still for me.

I love the 1911 grip, so I was thinking the SP01, but part of me wants a shorter gun in the P01 and G19. Basically everything points to the P01 for being the best of both worlds, but it feels like settling.

I'm open to either firing methods, manual safety or not doesn't matter. I don't care for s decocker, but it's value added.

I was planning on handling a few today. Just wanted some fresh thoughts on a beaten subject. Lol.

[LkPillsburyDude]

I have had quite a few autos and revolvers. I had a p2000v3. Loved the gun but the trigger was garbage. Worst reset ever. If I knew about LEMs I would have swapped it.

[M76]

Gen 3 G19, or spend a little more and find a Gen 4 here on CGN...

[tbc]

I own all of them.

Based on what you already have, I suggest a P2000. It is the best candidate for SHTF scenario. My preference is the LEM trigger but you may want to try it out first.

CZ P-01 is also a good candidate. But I prefer polymer compact/subcompact handguns.

If you want more range toy, SP-01.

The G19 is ok if you can tolerate occasional brass to the face. You will have to change the sights.






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[Tere_Hanges]

The P2000 trigger is not garbage. It is designed to be heavy as an added safety measure. People need to understand what its purpose is. Its like saying a big heavy truck accelerates poorly. Well, compared to a corvette it does. The two types of vehicles are built for different uses. So keep some context and dont compare apples to oranges. Anybody with basic shooing skills should be able to shoot a P2000 just fine. Its a combat/selfdefense/duty type sidearm, a solid working gun not a competition pistol. Every gun has a different trigger with different handling characteristics. It doesnt mean they are crap triggers just because they are different. You really have to understand the purpose of the trigger and its intended use.

The only trigger that I thought was a bit on the crap side was the SP01 because the sear contact points were so rough with machining marks. CZ makes no effort at all to finish the internals of their basic models like the SP01. I still shot it well because I have enough basic shooting skill to shoot pretty much any gun well.

[BucDan]

I own all of them.

Based on what you already have, I suggest a P2000. It is the best candidate for SHTF scenario. My preference is the LEM trigger but you may want to try it out first.

CZ P-01 is also a good candidate. But I prefer polymer compact/subcompact handguns.

If you want more range toy, SP-01.

The G19 is ok if you can tolerate occasional brass to the face. You will have to change the sights.






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The P2000 trigger is not garbage. It is designed to be heavy as an added safety measure. People need to understand what its purpose is. Its like saying a big heavy truck accelerates poorly. Well, compared to a corvette it does. But the two types of vehicles are built for different uses. So keep some context and dont compare apples to oranges. Anybody with basic shooing skills should be able to shoot a P2000 just fine. Its a combat/selfdefense/duty type sidearm, not a competition pistol. Every gun has a different trigger with different handling characteristics. It doesnt mean they are crap triggers just because they are different. You really have to understand the purpose of the trigger and its intended use.

The only trigger that I thought was a bit on the crap side was the SP01 because the sear contact points were so rough with machining marks. CZ makes no effort at all to finish the internals of their basic models like the SP01. I still shot it well because I have enough basic shooting skill to shoot pretty much any gun well.

CZ P10 can't be had in CA? I'm starting to lean towards the G19 and P01

[cakebaker916]

Another vote for the P2000, and I have multiple G19's. If you love the feel of a 1911, at least try out a P2000 with the small or medium backstrap. Definitely slimmer than a G19, not sure how it compares to the SP/P-01's. If I had to choose just one between a P2000 or G19 for bedside/range, I would strongly consider the P2000 (and I love my 19's). I also think the "crappy" trigger makes for a better bedside companion when having to reach for it under duress in the middle of the night.

[Tere_Hanges]

CZ P10 can't be had in CA? I'm starting to lean towards the G19 and P01

Nope, P10 is not on the roster. So you would have to find one to PPT from another CA resident.

Personally, I would take the P01 or PCR over the SP01. I traded away my SP01 with the idea to either get a TS or P01/PCR later on down the road. I either want something lighter and more compact (the P01/PCR are aluminum framed) or if Im going to go "full size" might as well go whole hog and get the large frame TS with the super smooth trigger out of the box.

The P01, G19, and P2000 are all about the same size which is what I would call "duty size" or "compact". The right balance between "full" and "subcompact". Not too big and not too small.

[Mystery_Milk]

Wait, if you don't care for a decocker and want a steel-framed gun, why not get a CZ 75 Compact? Has a safety, is compact and same size as a P01, and is steel-framed.

[BucDan]

Now you guys are convincing to where I'd look at the P2000 over the SP01. I went ahead and took a look at the CA-DOJ approved list. Crappy list. Literally tiered $100 each over the next.

EDIT:

Wait, if you don't care for a decocker and want a steel-framed gun, why not get a CZ 75 Compact? Has a safety, is compact and same size as a P01, and is steel-framed.

Call it a lame reason, but I like the look of full length dust covers . But I did not know that the CZ-75 compact was steel!

[waygeekierthanu]

People actually buy the P2000?
Isn't that the red-headed stepchild in HK's lineup?

Tons of people do actually, I sell the da/sa and lem versions often. The sk sells well too!

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[cakebaker916]

The P2000 is at the very top of the budget for this gun. A Sig P226/229 is a bit too much.

There's a couple P2000 V3 listings in the marketplace that are near you, should even things out as far as the budget goes.

Like beanz2 mentioned, you may wanna look into handling (and shooting if possible) each before making a decision.

[Tere_Hanges]

I had a 75b compact and it was a nice gun. Unnecessarily heavy IMO. If I was going to get another compact CZ it would be the PCR or P01.

[Packy14]

Already have 2 1911's in .45. Could do a 1911 in 9mm, but I want a bit of variety . Have been a bigger fan of steel guns, aluminum is ok, but I'm warming up to polymer.

Looking for a 9mm, and I've come down to these 3/4 guns.

The SP01 seems best, with the P01 being the in-between, but for some reason, the G19 seems like the smarter choice because of the track record and aftermarket, but the P2000 looks like a perfect development from the USP9.

The P2000 is at the very top of the budget for this gun. A Sig P226/229 is a bit too much.

What do you guys think? I haven't read much into the P2000, but it doesn't seem as popular.

Define what you want out of it, and also what kind of action you prefer, those are very different guns

[ScottsBad]

Will be a range and bedside gun. I don't like specifying guns for specific duties.

I slept right after posting the thread, and sleeping on it, I think I'll pass on the P2000 for sure. Seems I can get more value from the other guns listed. If the P2000 is a great secret, it'll be that way still for me.

I love the 1911 grip, so I was thinking the SP01, but part of me wants a shorter gun in the P01 and G19. Basically everything points to the P01 for being the best of both worlds, but it feels like settling.

I'm open to either firing methods, manual safety or not doesn't matter. I don't care for s decocker, but it's value added.

I was planning on handling a few today. Just wanted some fresh thoughts on a beaten subject. Lol.

I like the Glock style polymer guns for their simple battery of arms. If there is one in the chamber, just pull the trigger. No separate safety, no de-cocker.

One reason to choose Glock is the magazine, which fits a number of pistol caliber carbines and other Glocks. Yes, the grip angle takes time to get used to, but it is easy to train into. Also there are many parts that can be swapped out of the Glock.

I've completely moved over to light weight striker fired pistols. My favorite is the Walther PPQ, but it is off-roster. My second favorite is the G17 and G19.