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  • sailor74
    Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 397

    Calif. seller cannot sell python to Calif. citizen

    Hi guys, I thought that you can buy and sell guns that are not on Kalifonia drop list, between calif citizens? Guns that are already grandfathered.

    Is this not true?

    This Ca. dealer says no sales to Ca. citizens, can you shed some light on this.

    thanks much

    Richard






    NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA
    This Firearm can not be sold or transferred into the State of California. California DOJ Firearms Website





    Please feel free to contact us with any questions regarding this or any other auction item. our Internet department's hours are Monday-Saturday 9:30am-6:00pm ask for Dan or Alex

    Martin B. Retting, Inc.
    11029 Washington Bl. Culver City, CA 90232
    310-837-2412
  • #2
    Greg-Dawg
    Banned
    • Oct 2006
    • 7793

    If you're the winning CA bidder, then you forgot to read their Terms. Their gun, their rules.

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    • #3
      halifax
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 4440

      Sounds like it's coming out of a dealer's inventory. Therefore, it is not a PPT and can't be sold to regular (non-LEO) Californians.
      Last edited by halifax; 04-04-2009, 9:15 AM. Reason: grammer
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      • #4
        sailor74
        Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 397

        Originally posted by halifax
        Sounds like it coming out of a dealer's inventory. Therefore, it is not a PPT and can't be sold to regular (non-LEO) Californians.


        Ok, got it.

        Thanks

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        • #5
          Oldnoob
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2008
          • 2829

          Only the stainless 6" it's on roster, therefore dealer can't sell off roster to private party. Remember PPT means private party to private party, dealer can only sell on roster guns.

          ps, I didn't know Retting has online auction now.
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          • #6
            Miltiades
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2006
            • 1148

            My theory...

            Originally posted by Oldnoob
            I didn't know Retting has online auction now.
            Retting in Los Angeles has sold thousands of guns online, mainly through Auction Arms. If you go to that website and run a search on "California" handguns, you will see Retting listing many beautiful off-list handguns for sale to any state but California. It hurts me to see the number of excellent guns Retting is sending out of state.

            I presume that many people in Los Angeles who inherit gun collections from deceased relatives simply want to convert the collection to cash and have no idea how to do it other than going to Retting or an equivalent dealer and selling the guns at 40% to 50% of their retail value. Retting then turns around and sells the guns for 100% in online auctions, shipping them out of state.

            Most of the population in CA have no idea about CA gun laws, private party transfers, or advertising on Calguns.

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            • #7
              bwiese
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Oct 2005
              • 27621

              Originally posted by Miltiades
              Retting in Los Angeles has sold thousands of guns online, mainly through Auction Arms. If you go to that website and run a search on "California" handguns, you will see Retting listing many beautiful off-list handguns for sale to any state but California. It hurts me to see the number of excellent guns Retting is sending out of state.

              I presume that many people in Los Angeles who inherit gun collections from deceased relatives simply want to convert the collection to cash and have no idea how to do it other than going to Retting or an equivalent dealer and selling the guns at 40% to 50% of their retail value. Retting then turns around and sells the guns for 100% in online auctions, shipping them out of state.

              Most of the population in CA have no idea about CA gun laws, private party transfers, or advertising on Calguns.

              Retting could easily structure those new incoming lots as consignments, even advancing some bit of cash to the family in advance, covered by expected sales.

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              • #8
                Colt
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2007
                • 1596

                Originally posted by bwiese
                Retting could easily structure those new incoming lots as consignments, even advancing some bit of cash to the family in advance, covered by expected sales.
                Yeah, but they don't. I emailed them once about whether or not they had pistols for sale as consignments - their answer was "we don't do consignments." It is truly a shame to see what they move out of CA...

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                • #9
                  1911su16b870
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                  CGN Contributor
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 7654

                  AFAIK Rettings listings on GunBroker have never allowed for in CA sales. They are are great store, but just don't do e-biz in CA.

                  FWIW They do have consignments in the store for very good prices and I have succumbed to them more times than I can remember
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                  • #10
                    Sam
                    Calguns Addict
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 5205

                    Originally posted by bwiese
                    Retting could easily structure those new incoming lots as consignments, even advancing some bit of cash to the family in advance, covered by expected sales.
                    but wouldn't that be the sensible thing for a CA FFL to do?

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                    • #11
                      truthseeker
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 1546

                      Originally posted by Sam
                      but wouldn't that be the sensible thing for a CA FFL to do?
                      No, it wouldnt be!

                      Don't you know that the way business's are run now days, is to maximize profit first and customer service last (not speaking of this particular gun dealer since I have never been there).
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                      • #12
                        ZirconJohn
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                        • Sep 2007
                        • 10341

                        Originally posted by bwiese
                        Retting could easily structure those new incoming lots as consignments, even advancing some bit of cash to the family in advance, covered by expected sales.
                        Originally posted by Sam
                        but wouldn't that be the sensible thing for a CA FFL to do?
                        Yup, that would be the sensible thing to do; need only write a DROS Worksheet filled out by the seller at time of consignment set-up etc.

                        Their reason for decision NOT to consign is selfish in my opinion. As price of guns go up, so does the percentage of money owed to consigner. This way they maintain control of profit margin and reap all the benefits without having to share the higher profits.

                        That's a corporate practice mentality... but then again, they are in business for profit. They don't care if what they sell stays in CA, or NOT! Buying and selling out-right 100 percent ownership is worth it if you can afford the investment, and sounds like they can afford the investment.
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                        • #13
                          battleship
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 4958

                          Damn thats a clean Python, what i find hard to understand is there is a great big mountain of a market right here in there own backyard, and yet they won't go to the trouble to consign these guns so we cali residents can give them plenty of business. Personally thats looks like they are giving cali gun loving residents a great big F.U.

                          Rightly so it is there business to do as they want to, however it favors the community in which they reside if they keep the money funneling in and around there own business, so i think its just down to we dont give an F.

                          which upsets me to no end.

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                          • #14
                            ZirconJohn
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                            • Sep 2007
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                            Originally posted by battleship
                            Damn thats a clean Python, what i find hard to understand is there is a great big mountain of a market right here in there own backyard, and yet they won't go to the trouble to consign these guns so we cali residents can give them plenty of business. Personally thats looks like they are giving cali gun loving residents a great big F.U.

                            Rightly so it is there business to do as they want to, however it favors the community in which they reside if they keep the money funneling in and around there own business, so i think its just down to we dont give an F.

                            which upsets me to no end.
                            There is a CalGun Member user-name of D.R.E. sells Colt Python... are you familiar with D.R.E.?
                            Last edited by ZirconJohn; 04-04-2009, 11:04 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Sam
                              Calguns Addict
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                              • Jul 2008
                              • 5205

                              Originally posted by truthseeker
                              No, it wouldnt be!

                              Don't you know that the way business's are run now days, is to maximize profit first and customer service last (not speaking of this particular gun dealer since I have never been there).
                              I knew as soon as I hit reply someone would say something!

                              Of course Retting is looking out for their bottom line and I have nothing wrong with that, but I would like to see these pistols stay in state.

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