Need help deciding...

[Lead Waster]

Back to guns. If you buy a nice gun that you like, more power to you. You do not have to start with a inexpensive gun and then upgrade it till it costs what the LB costs. If someone knows, tell me how much it costs to get a RIA updated with hand done 30LPI on the front and back, dehorned, re-fitted so it is so tight it may need 500 rounds to break-in, match barrel, bushing hand fitted so tight the thing does 1-3" groups at 50 yards. I dunno if you can even pay to get that done. Can you add steel to the frame and slide?

I have a RIA Match and I think it is perfect for me. I'm not a huge 1911 lover. If you want a $1400 TRp or a $1900 TRS, or a PII, or a $5000 Wilson... do it if you want one. You don't have to buy to my tastes or budget.

I wouldn't recommend getting a "value priced" gun and upgrading it. However, I'd say get the cheaper gun, shoot it, and figure out what you like. Then get a gun with all the features you like.

[crufflers]

I wouldn't recommend getting a "value priced" gun and upgrading it. However, I'd say get the cheaper gun, shoot it, and figure out what you like. Then get a gun with all the features you like.

That's one approach, but it could cost you $500-$1000 for something basic, plus ammo. Get a SA Milspec or something similar and it is at least $700 to get it home and shoot a few times... you are not getting an LB for $700 but it sure is a large chunk of a nice gun. Also we are talking about 1911's... for the price of what some people turn their noses up at you can get a USP Expert in another brand or a CZ TS in another brand.

Everyone doesn't have to start with a "beater". Some might only want something at a certain price forever, and some might actually be able to do research and rent or borrow guns, not buy the thing to test it out.

Personally I bought the $650 1911 and it is great. But I also bought a more expensive one in 9mm.

[TMB 1]

I wouldn't recommend getting a "value priced" gun and upgrading it. However, I'd say get the cheaper gun, shoot it, and figure out what you like. Then get a gun with all the features you like.

That's one approach, but it could cost you $500-$1000 for something basic, plus ammo. Get a SA Milspec or something similar and it is at least $700 to get it home and shoot a few times... you are not getting an LB for $700 but it sure is a large chunk of a nice gun. Also we are talking about 1911's... for the price of what some people turn their noses up at you can get a USP Expert in another brand or a CZ TS in another brand.

Everyone doesn't have to start with a "beater". Some might only want something at a certain price forever, and some might actually be able to do research and rent or borrow guns, not buy the thing to test it out.

Personally I bought the $650 1911 and it is great. But I also bought a more expensive one in 9mm.

If it was me I'd get the Les Baer, skip the Dan Wesson and get an RIA or Citadel for beater work and a Kahr P45 for ccw/beater work.

[Garandimal]

I'll just leave this right here.

Note:
Got a NIB Springfield 1911-A1 "Mil-Spec" recently, $500 plus tyranny, and am very happy w/ it.

GR

[crufflers]

Because everyone can relate to cars and have sat in many many samples of cars. I mean, I've been in crappy beater Honda Civics and in BMWs and Teslas. So it's an easy comparison to make. I'm no expert, but I know Ferraris are "nicer" than Tata Nanos.

There's not many other things that people can use to make "quality" difference examples with. I mean even with guns if you said "Les Baer" and "Ed Brown", I couldn't tell you which is better. If you said "Makita" and "DeWalt", I couldn't tell the difference. If you say Honda Civic and Mercedes SLK, well OK, I know one is nicer.

I still think it is very much apples to oranges... it is far better and on topic to describe ACTUAL GUNS in English like this example:

I have MK1,2, and 3 and a Model 41.
When I shoot the M41, a hole appears where I am aiming, like magic. The gun barely vibrates and the muzzle rises slightly and I can get back on target seamlessly for follow up shots. Take down is so easy. I just pull down on the trigger guard and lift off the barrel. Simple to clean. All the residue is in the barrel and barely nothing in the frame. Down side is, the cartridge doesn't feed right after couple hundred rounds and need to brush the feed ramp.

MK2 is a fine pistol. It goes perpetually without cleaning. Noticeably more recoil than M41 even though it's just a 22. Not claiming that it's inherently less accurate, but holes are more scattered compared to M41.

People in gun forums just love to talk about HONDA CIVICS and FERRARIS and it makes little sense, hahahah. Mildly funny though. Cars are way too subjective and people give you their interpretation of the cars. Gets pretty muddled. Why not just interpret the actual guns. It just marketing BS. Honest reviews of the guns, not someone's idea of a Ferrari who never drove one, hahah. I'd rather hear someone talk about a gun they held but did not shoot than for them to say, "UH its like a Hundai, dude... and the other one is like a Camry. I want a Lambo!" Tell me why you didn't like the damn grip on the CZ75 SP-01 compared to the PCR or the Glock21 compared to the XD... talk about the trigger reset... don't tell me about Toyotas.

[Dothefreddie]

Thanks everyone for the advice, I ordered the les Baer a couple days ago from Rick at Arms-Tek. Very nice gentleman who was a pleasure to deal with.

I appreciate the cars anologies lol, but I don’t really see them as a 1:1 correlation. From what I’ve been looking at, it seems like you get what you pay for with a gun. Me personally, I want it to be a “made in USA” as possible. And with a baer or Wesson, you actually get that in additional to hand fitting, test fired, norfrills damn good gun. The manufacturing process is something I respect being a mechanical engineer with a decade of shop experience. Les Baers seem to be the point where if you spend anything more, you might be getting diminishing returns.

I’ll be back with phtotos and a range report in a couple weeks

For today, gotta go ammo and accessory shopping. Thanks again everyone!

[BradleyAbrams]

Colt Python.

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[fmunk]

Can one 1911 feel different to another of the same size in practice? I don't think so. Same 107 year old pattern and same ammo. Others will disagree. I'm not a connoisseur durnk on Kool-Aid. Just someone who's owned several of different makes and levels of finish. If you could only get one, get the full size government. If carry was an option then the Commander would offer dual role flexibility. Since it isn't, go for the longer barrel, sight radius and inherent accuracy. Once you have one, you're likely to have another, and another after that. So you likely will end up doing what they say: get both.

[fmunk]

Why does everyone keep talking about cars? Are you guys all Ferrari experts? Hahaha. I thought he was buying a hand gun. Oh I get it. You guys know more about cars than guns?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/metaphor?s=t

[tbc]

Congrats OP!

LB is a solid 1911. And if you have the fund, get another LB.


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[Dothefreddie]

Congrats OP!

LB is a solid 1911. And if you have the fund, get another LB.


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[Dothefreddie]

[newbie1234]

Go for the NEW , during the time the new gun still on warranty shot the heck out of it. For the first year you need to do these : To get familiar with the gun 500 rds, to break-in the gun 500 rds, to get family with the recoil 2K rds difference types of ammo, to plinking couple K of on-sale ammo, to …whatever couple K of ammo. If you buy the gun not to collect but to shoot then shoot it.

[808@515]

Congrats OP! Great choice. It won’t be your last either. Welcome to the club.

[Che762x39]

That was nice at Sharpshooter. You got a nice pistol there.

So when are we getting into reloading?