HSC - where?

[Dark&Good]

Hi,
Looks like I need a DOJ Certified Instructor to get my HSC. Does Castro Valley Gun Shop have the authority? Where should I go (SF area)?

Also, I have read this: "What is 'that handgun,' as used by the 12071(b)(8)(D) PC safe handling demonstration mandate?
'That handgun' is either the very handgun being transferred, or one of the same make and model as the one being transferred." - does this mean that even though the HSC is valid for 5 years, I can only have handguns of the same make/model during these 5 years?

[elrcastor]

yes, CVGS does. J&R Sports Supply in livermore also does.

[FlyingDesertEagle]

Most ffls should offer the HSC test, right?

[greybeard]

The second part of your question no you can buy any roster handgun. You just have to do the safe handling on that gun.
If you do not want to cross the bay jackson arms does them, any gun shop.

[rkt88edmo]

You do a safe handling demo for every pistol purchase - it is separate from the HSC.

[Dark&Good]

You do a safe handling demo for every pistol purchase - it is separate from the HSC.

That clarified it fully, thanks

[Dark&Good]

The second part of your question no you can buy any roster handgun. You just have to do the safe handling on that gun.
If you do not want to cross the bay jackson arms does them, any gun shop.

Thanks. It's about time I check out Jackson Arms, too...

[FlyingDesertEagle]

Dark n Good? Are you renewing or purchasing?
Wherever you are going to purchase or ppt should take care of you, sir.

[Dark&Good]

Purchasing... and I just received an answer from Castro Valley Gun Shop that my CA ID and my bank statements for the last four months are not adequate proof of residence... oh well, I'll just try Jackson Arms, and if they have the same policy, I'll go back to the shops where I purchased my long guns. Although they are a bit more far than CVGS and JA...

[elrcastor]

Handguns have different requirements that long guns. With handguns you need proof of residency (utility bill, lease, vehicle registration). For long guns all you need is your divers license.

[Dark&Good]

That is not true.

[jrsportssupply]

elrcastor is correct. The requirements for purchasing a handgun are different than the requirements for purchasing a long gun. Purchasing a handgun requires either a CDL or CA ID, plus an HSC, plus an ADDITIONAL proof of residency. Valid proof of residency is one of the following: Vehicle registration, recent utility bill, current lease agreement for your place of residence, title to your home, or some other government issued license or permit with your residence on the license/permit. In addition, if you are not a US citizen, you must supply 3 recent, consecutive utility bills establishing that you have lived continuously at the same address for the last 90 days.
Don't shoot the messenger - we don't write the rules; we are just required to enforce them.

[Dark&Good]

I have purchased two long guns so far. In both cases, I was asked for additional proof of residence, on top of my CA ID. Two documents as proof, for long guns.

The difference seems to be the HSC only.

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Additionally, the two different shops accepted the last four months' bank statements as proof of residence, because they have found something about this in the "instructions" section of the form)

[ke6guj]

That is not true.

12071(b)(8)(C) Commencing January 1, 2003, no handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation indicating that he or she is a California resident. Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed, or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice. The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.

and the regulations: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter4.pdf

I have purchased two long guns so far. In both cases, I was asked for additional proof of residence, on top of my CA ID. Two documents as proof, for long guns.

The difference seems to be the HSC only.

CA law does not require POR for long gun purchases. Federal law does however if your current address does not match your ID.

Additionally, the two different shops accepted the last four months' bank statements as proof of residence, because they have found something about this in the "instructions" section of the form)

I don't recall seeing bank statements as acceptable POR for CA or the Feds.

edit: bank statements are acceptable to show 90-days of continous residency for legal aliens for the feds (4473), but does not establish proof of residency.

[Dark&Good]

and the regulations: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter4.pdf



CA law does not require POR for long gun purchases. Federal law does however if your current address does not match your ID.

I don't recall seeing bank statements as acceptable POR for CA or the Feds.

edit: bank statements are acceptable to show 90-days of continous residency for legal aliens for the feds (4473), but does not establish proof of residency.

That clarifies the bank statements role, thanks.

I still don't understand why CA ID or DL is not a valid POR.
By the way, to get my CA ID, I took my bank statements to DMV, and everything was fine.

My wife has been living in this same place for years before we got married, thus all the utility bills are still in her name. Does that mean that I can't buy a handgun, unless we modify the bills addressee, and spend one more month in the same place?