Ar pistol

[Iggy_M]

I haven't been around in over a year but I'm confused on the current legality of an 80% concerted ar pistol. If it was built in 2016 as a single shot then converted to semi automatic what are my current options? Am I allowed to throw an armaglock and serialize it and call it a day or just I register it? Do I need to convert it back to single shot?

[Donk310]

Don't take this as gold because I am confused as all hell myself, but everything that I understand up to this point says that you will need to register it anyway, because it was made from an 80% lower. Maybe someone who knows more on it can chime in... without just posting the penal code or AB this and that... cause I'm kinda stupid and that just confuses me even more.

[C.G.]

Best would be to volreg. If it is not an AW then you don't have to register it. Here is the master thread answering most pistol, especial 80% questions:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1292129

[MrPowerThirst]

I believe you VolReg the lower as Pistol Single Shot.

VolReg online: https://cfars.doj.ca.gov/login.do

Make: U S. (Space, yes)
Model: whatever you want it to say "PISTOL."
Date acquired: estimate the time you made it, put OTHER reason: SELF MADE. (Space as well).

Good for now till after July 1st 2018 and see where law goes after that.

My plan for my AR pistol is to buy:
1) "Original Bob Slide Mag" that's pretty much a block of alum that only allows one bullet at a time. Brownells $51 shipped. No tax.

2) Remove the Gas pipe and flip gas block around, so it cannot cycle and reason why u flip the gas black around is due to blow back from the hole being open. You manually rack and load one bullet.

3) You have to go "fixed mag" I'm using Hogue Freedom Fighter: 43 dollars Brownells, it comes with 3 kits for 3 different AR lowers.



Good luck brotha.

[C.G.]

If he built it in 2016 he shouldn't have to Volreg as a single shot, especially if he has proof that it was a single shot converted to semi.

[Strykeback]

If he built it in 2016 he shouldn't have to Volreg as a single shot, especially if he has proof that it was a single shot converted to semi.

You sure about that? I was curious on that part as well since i dont want to screw up my paper work for later on down the road.

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[shin_en]

if I built a pistol off of an 80% in 2014 and plan on registering it as a BBAW, is there anything special I need to do other than the standard registration paperwork? Everything I see talks about just VOLREGing and installing an armaglock

[Quiet]

if I built a pistol off of an 80% in 2014 and plan on registering it as a BBAW, is there anything special I need to do other than the standard registration paperwork? Everything I see talks about just VOLREGing and installing an armaglock

In order to register a self-made/assembled firearm as an assault weapon, it needs CA DOJ approved marking information engraved on the firearm prior to being able to register it as an assault weapon.
^All this must be done before 07-01-2018.

1. Must apply for CA DOJ marking info.
2. Must engrave that info to the firearm.
3. Submit assault weapons registration application.



California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 3 Section 5472
Weapons That Will Not Be Registered as Assault Weapons.
(g) The Department will not register as an assault weapon a FMBUS if the firearm does not have a serial number assigned by the Department and applied by the owner or agent pursuant to section 5474.2.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 3 Section 5472.2
Firearm Manufactured By Unlicensed Subject (FMBUS).
A person seeking assault weapon registration for this type of firearm shall seek a Department issued serial number at: dojserialnumber@doj.ca.gov, prior to initiating the assault weapon registration process.
(a) A Department-provided serial number shall be issued and applied as follows:
(1) The Department shall issue a unique serial number to the applicant. The serial number issuance is a separate process and must be done before the assault weapon application will be accepted by the Department. Applicants seeking a FMBUS related serial number shall complete a New Serial Number Application, Form BOF 1008, (Rev. 07/2017) hereby incorporated by reference, and submit it to the Department prior to the initiation of the registration of this type of firearm.
(2) Once the applicant has received a Department issued serial number, the applicant may contact a Federal Firearms Licensed Manufacturer (type 07) to have the serial number applied in a manner consistent with this section and federal law. However, a Federal Firearms Licensee is under no obligation to perform this work. Persons who have manufactured their own firearm may also use non-licensed parties to apply the serial number and other required markings; however, the owner of the weapon must not leave the firearm unattended with an unlicensed party in violation of firearms transfer and/or lending laws. Proof of the serial number being applied to the firearm shall be given to the Department in the form of one or more digital photographs of the newly serialized firearm being submitted in accordance with the photo requirement noted in section 5474 (c).
(3) An unlicensed manufacturer of firearms must legibly and uniquely identify each firearm manufactured as follows:
(A) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by the unlicensed manufacturer on any other firearm. The engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and
(B) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed. The additional information must include:
(i) The model of the firearm, if such designation has been made;
(ii) The caliber or gauge of the firearm;
(iii) The manufacturer's first and last name as provided to the Department for registration purposes, when applicable; and
(iv) The city and state (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where the manufacturer made the firearm.
(4) Measurement of height and depth of markings. The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(3)(A) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases).
(5) The Department shall deny assault weapon registration applications if it determines the above described marking requirements have not been met.

[Iggy_M]

My question is do I have to register period? Can I legally avoid aw registration and voluntary register? Also what if I already have my lower engraved with my own markings but they do follow ATF?

[Quiet]

My question is do I have to register period? Can I legally avoid aw registration and voluntary register? Also what if I already have my lower engraved with my own markings but they do follow ATF?

If the semi-auto AR style pistol has a "bullet button" style magazine lock, then it is considered an assault weapon.

In order to not register it as an assault weapon, the firearm needs to be modified so that it is no longer considered an assault weapon.
^This can be done by:
A. Making it into a semi-auto pistol with a fixed magazine.
B. Making it into a manually operated pistol.
C. Making it into a single-shot pistol.
D. Disassembling it into parts and never assembling it while in CA.


Starting 07-01-2018, self-made/assembled firearms will need CA DOJ approved marking information engraved on the firearm. This process will register the firearm.

Under the CA DOJ regulations for self-made/assembled firearms...
*Self-engraved firearms that are BATFE approved will be exempt from needing CA DOJ approved marking info. [11 CCR 5508(a)]
*Self-engraved firearms that are voluntarily registered before 07-01-2018 will be exempt from needing CA DOJ approved marking info. [11 CCR 5508(c)]
*Self-engraved firearms that are not voluntarily registered before 07-01-2018 will need to have CA DOJ approved marking info by 01-01-2019. [11 CCR 5510(a)(1)]



California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 1 Section 5505California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 3 Section 5508California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 4 Section 5509
This article applies to the following:
(a) An individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm originally made from an unfinished receiver or frame as of July 1, 2018; and
(b) An individual who intends to manufacture or assemble a firearm from an unfinished receiver or frame on or after July 1, 2018.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 4 Section 5510
(a) An individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm originally made from an unfinished receiver or frame that has not yet been recorded with the Department shall:
(1) Beginning on July 1, 2018, apply to the Department to request a unique serial number to record the firearm with the Department. The individual shall submit an electronic application to request a serial number for the self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm to the Department before January 1, 2019.
(b) As of July 1, 2018, no individual shall manufacture or assemble a firearm from an unfinished receiver or frame unless the individual applies to the Department for a unique serial number prior to manufacturing or assembling the firearm.

[BigPimping]

Too much uncertainty here. I've disassembled all of my stuff until I leave this godforsaken place.

[Itry2hide]

Where does the fixed stock with no pistol grip standard apply in this case? Is it not considered an assault weapon?

[Quiet]

Where does the fixed stock with no pistol grip standard apply in this case? Is it not considered an assault weapon?

If the AR pistol has a fixed stock, then it would be a SBR.

Unless, the AR pistol is made into an AR rifle by installing a 16" or greater length barrel.
As a rifle, as long as it does not have any restricted features, it would not be considered an assault weapon.

[BTFlyer]

Noobie question - Why would anybody want a pistol AR that is limited to 1 shot from a fixed mag? Wouldn't that be boring to shoot and impractical for HD?

I shot a semi auto AR pistol that was fully functioned for mag drops etc in Florida recently and it was fun...not sure why anybody would want a single shot verion

[Strykeback]

They had to be created first in single shot since its a pistol so in orser to get around the SSE exemptions to the god forsaken roster. Then it could be concerted to semi auto. What really happens with any of this at this point is anyone's guess.

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