If you ALWAYS shoot to the left, with all of your guns ... just adjust the sights?

[Lead Waster]

Went to the range yesterday and as usual at 15 yards I shoot one or two inches (OK, OK, three inches) to the left of the target pretty much all the time. I KNOW it's bad trigger technique. ANd it's a goal to move the groups over to where I want them ... but then I was thinking ... for people who aren't shooting enthusiasts and who want to just keep a gun for SD (but still practice every once in a while) ... why not drift the rear sight to the right a bit to compensate for the trigger pull they always use?

I know, it's a cheat, but so what?

['ol shooter]

Get a couple others to shoot them, that might tell you if it's you or not. Here's a handy chart.

[theLBC]

Went to the range yesterday and as usual at 15 yards I shoot one or two inches (OK, OK, three inches) to the left of the target pretty much all the time. I KNOW it's bad trigger technique. ANd it's a goal to move the groups over to where I want them ... but then I was thinking ... for people who aren't shooting enthusiasts and who want to just keep a gun for SD (but still practice every once in a while) ... why not drift the rear sight to the right a bit to compensate for the trigger pull they always use?

I know, it's a cheat, but so what?

what if you accidentally use good trigger control under pressure, and miss?

[rodralig]

Don't let the tail wag the dog?


That said, there is another, seemingly new diagnostic chart out there:

https://dryfiretrainingcards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/diagnostictargetfront.jpg

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[onelonehorseman]

For target shooting, I guess it doesn't matter much if it doesn't matter to you.

If you like doing other types of shooting (competitive), or carry under CCW for self defense, or depend on pistol for HD, I would try to fix the shooter problem.

[Mustard]

what if you accidentally use good trigger control under pressure, and miss?

Fair question, but if he can't use good technique in a controlled environment do you think he'll be able to while in fear for his life?

I'd get some other competent shooters to try it, and if they shoot left too, maybe it IS your sights. Also, play with a 22lr pistol; less recoil to make you flinch

[theLBC]

Fair question, but if he can't use good technique in a controlled environment do you think he'll be able to while in fear for his life?

I'd get some other competent shooters to try it, and if they shoot left too, maybe it IS your sights. Also, play with a 22lr pistol; less recoil to make you flinch

i don't really, but ime, some people do things differently under stress.
he could be slow pressing at the range. of course, i don't even know what kind of gun.

what might be worse is if he was injured and somebody else had to pick up his gun and use it. what if that other person pulls right?

i guess i am just fundamentally against setting up sights off the POI, and i figured he was asking for reasons to not do it.

[k1dude]

3 inches off at 15 yards is good enough for social work. You aren't SWAT or DELTA.

Keep in mind most SD shootings occur within 10 feet.

Also keep in mind a rifle or shotgun is a much better choice for home defense than a pistol.

Don't move your sights. Always endeavor to shoot properly.

[Lead Waster]

what if you accidentally use good trigger control under pressure, and miss?

LOL!

Hey, I know it's me and not the gun(s). Statistically speaking, I can't imagine them all shooting left.

If you can push a 1911 to the left, you know you have some work to do.

I usually shoot for groups, but I think it's time I started working on the "pull to the left" thing.

I'm just thinking that for folks who just keep a gun in a nightstand and shoot 50 rounds every 2 months (or 2 years) maybe it's best to just tap those sights over.

[Lead Waster]

Fair question, but if he can't use good technique in a controlled environment do you think he'll be able to while in fear for his life?

I'd get some other competent shooters to try it, and if they shoot left too, maybe it IS your sights. Also, play with a 22lr pistol; less recoil to make you flinch

No, it's me for sure. I'm not talking one gun, I'm talking .45 and 9mm 1911s, glocks, ppq, CZs... I know it's me. It's not bad but I ignore it if I see a gaping hole for a group. Just about time I figured it out.

One thing I keep meaning to do is to switch hands and shoot left handed to see if the shots go off to the right. I keep forgetting when I get to the range.

[rodralig]

3 inches off at 15 yards is good enough for social work. You aren't SWAT or DELTA.

Keep in mind most SD shootings occur within 10 feet.

So, just because most SD shootings happen within 10-feet (3-yards), it is not necessary to improve/practice one's fundamentals way out to 15-yards? Or even at 25-yards?

Well, I would guess that if one can keep a 1-inch group at 3-yards, 1.5-inch group at 7-yards; and 2-inches in 10-yards slow fire - it would be enough.

But in a high-stress situation?

I've had the chance to try out active shooter scenarios with LAPD/SWAT, etc. A few of the participants can make critical shots in distances less than 10-feet.


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[SurferSeth]

Just aim a little to the right and leave the sights alone

[teflondog]

What if your dominant hand gets injured in a gunfight and you're forced to shoot with your support hand?

[IVC]

Keep the sights true (windage has only one objectively correct position) and, if you want to cheat, aim to the right of the intended target until you figure it out. You want to *know for sure* that the sights are true, so you can work on your technique. There is still the "right" and the "wrong" way to cheat...

Pulling gun to one side is the trigger pull issue if you're doing slow fire, but can be several other things if you're doing fast transitions. Also, "trigger pull" can involve incorrect grip with the support hand (it's still trigger pull, but the fix is to correct the grip first).

[nedro]

Tight groups with a 3 inch flinch at 15 yards?
Man, that is one accurate flinch.