I am Done with Beretta ( PX4 rear sight replacement causes crack on slide )

[fawndog]

The MGW Pro tool seems like it's barely enough to get the job done, and it isolates the slide solidly.

The quickie tool is designed without support so that it would be easier to damage slide rails.

MGW or Berettta should pay for it.

Seeing as how the PX4 was the fuse and they approved MGW's use, I'd look to Beretta for compensation.

See their advert

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-sight-adjustment-tool-px4-storm-and-8000-series/ud6a0027/

[FalconLair]

Com'on, it's just sight replacement, not mill down the slide or port the barrel. Using "DIY project failed" to cover up the real issue of the product, sounds irresponsible. With common sense of a handgun owner, do you see any pistol other than PX4, which ordinary users can't use sight tool to replace sight by themselves?

Meanwhile, the issue is well known by Beretta for a long time but they didn't disclose any information in the user manual to their customers about the specific damage risk related to this product.

now it just sounds like you don't know the definition of a "DIY project" - i've done just about every change out on my Px4 available, although i'll admit i've never touched the sights

if anything went wrong during any of those change outs i knew it would be on me, regardless of how easy it looked on YouTube or any other research i did before i started the project

you admit you've never changed out the sights on a Px4, you admit you looked it up on YouTube for information, you admit you did other research to familiarize yourself with what to do, you admit you even bought the tool recommended by vendors specifically for that job which is an indication that you're now using a tool you're not familiar with, and, that it's your first time attempting this on your Px4 with no previous experience doing it - YET, it's Beretta's fault when "something" went wrong - there is absolutely nothing you could've did wrong while attempting this for the first time

the problem i see here is that you very well may have did something wrong and not even be aware of it - you don't have experience changing out those sights on the Px4, but, it's all Beretta's fault for what happened

i don't know, meanwhile you say this is a well known issue with Beretta slides - i've been a member of the Beretta forum since 2012 and i've never read a thread relating to this problem - maybe you can link where you have read about this problem, i've personally never seen one but would be very interested in reading on it

i invite you to create an account on the Beretta forum www.beretta.net, and tell your story about what happened to see what replies you get - some of the guys on that forum i would say are about as expert as you'll find when it comes to issues like that - your claim may very well be correct, i'll admit your the first i've seen with a claim that this is a well known issue/defect, with the slide

OP, i have a BHP - i was interested in removing the trigger pin and in the YouTube video it punched right out, just a slight tap and out it came right out - of course, when i tried it i got a different result - ended up tapping a bit harder, then harder, still nothing - after a couple of small dings on my frame i stopped and gave up - should i be blaming Browning because the pin didn't drop right out like it did in the YouTube video, or, blame myself for not having the good sense to stop when it wasn't happening like i seen in the video

i blame myself for not having the good sense to STOP when it wasn't going as advertised - you can see for yourself what "I" did, even with such a supposed easy tap out of a pin

[DArBad]

" A man has got to know his limitations "....from Dirty Harry.

One of my project came to mind: Changing the factory stock of my Remington 870 to a Magpul SGA. I've watched countless you tube videos and read plenty of people doing it here on Calguns. BUT when I tried it on mine, the factory stock bolt won't budge. I tried heating up the area as suggested by some, soaking the area with penetrating oil but that darn bolt won't budge.

So, rather than forcing the issue, I just brought it to a gunsmith. He charged me $20.00 for it. Sometimes, its better to shell out some money for peace of mind and avoiding damaging things on a simple project.

That said, I feel for you, OP. Most people that I know that own that Beretta PX4 like their gun so much.

[humble servant]

OP, Sorry to hear about your misfortune, that's an expensive mistake. Since you have taken ownership of doing the damage, maybe reach out to Beretta again and see if you can get a discount on a new slide. $430 is steep. Tell them you are a loyal customer.

If the rear sight has a set screw, I'm not sure why they would design the dovetail so tight. Sounds like a bad design IMO.

Not sure they'd be willing to cut him slack after paying for shipping on a non warranty issue.
They may figure he got his discount already.

[FalconLair]

" A man has got to know his limitations "....from Dirty Harry.

One of my project came to mind: Changing the factory stock of my Remington 870 to a Magpul SGA. I've watched countless you tube videos and read plenty of people doing it here on Calguns. BUT when I tried it on mine, the factory stock bolt won't budge. I tried heating up the area as suggested by some, soaking the area with penetrating oil but that darn bolt won't budge.

So, rather than forcing the issue, I just brought it to a gunsmith. He charged me $20.00 for it. Sometimes, its better to shell out some money for peace of mind and avoiding damaging things on a simple project.

That said, I feel for you, OP. Most people that I know that own that Beretta PX4 like their gun so much.

when i moved out of CA my bullet button was still on my AR15 - after about a year i decided to remove it, did my research, even bought a wrench specifically for the nut removal - total failure, the manufacturer had used some loctite on the nut and it just wouldn't budge for me even though every video i watched made it look so easy

tried heating it up, nothing - finally called a local gunsmith and told him what i wanted done, bingo, he removed it and installed a newer style magazine release button, $25 bucks

so, what was supposed to be an easy removal turned into chaos for me, had to get a gunsmith to finish the job, even though YouTube made it look like a 5 minute, easy peasy "do it yourself" job

OP, some of the weirdest things can happen with some of these "easy" projects - some of the stories you'll hear

[maulich]

Just because he purchased the proper tool,watched a few videos and read some how to's, does not mean he is qualified to do the work. Your comment is silly......

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[Svashtar]

Just because he purchased the proper tool,watched a few videos and read some how to's, does not mean he is qualified to do the work. Your comment is silly......

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[IVC]

Every aftermarket sight I've ever seen comes with the warning that it should be installed by a qualified gunsmith. It's the liability issue for them, precisely for the OP's scenario.

[semilin]

i don't know, meanwhile you say this is a well known issue with Beretta slides - i've been a member of the Beretta forum since 2012 and i've never read a thread relating to this problem - maybe you can link where you have read about this problem, i've personally never seen one but would be very interested in reading on it

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=130286

http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=124313

I don't think there are many real PX4 enthusiasts in your forum. I would suggest you go to berettaforum.net, as there are a lot of expert there, who know their tools' strength and also the weakness.

For example, TomSmith_USA (Senior Member of BerettaForum.net) comments: "I spoke with a Beretta gunsmith at their factory who knowingly chuckled at my exclamation how the newer Px4s sites were like trying to move a glacier. "

Please carefully read my full post before putting your comment.

"Some people may misunderstand the reason I post this thread and guess I was trying to find a scapegoat for what happened. I did know what happened, and I didn't blame anyone else for making the crack except myself. I'm just telling other PX4 owners:
<1> The difference between PX4 and other semi-auto, it's hard to push sight but easy to crack slide. With what happens to my PX4, I'm confused whether my hand is too strong or too weak at the time?
<2> The difference between Beretta customer service and other manufacturers, they ask you to pay the shipping before identifying the problem. Until gunsmith looks into the pistol, nobody knows it's caused by sight pusher. I told them I find a crack and need their expertize to look into. I'm fine to pay it if it's my fault.
<3> The difference between PX4 slide and other pistol's slides. It cost $400+, more than a whole new pistol. As far as I know, Glock slide is less than half of the price."

[MosinVirus]

OP, I feel your pain in having cracked your slide.

What I don't get is why you thought it was a good idea to then send the gun off to Beretta to fix your mistake.

If anything I think you have beef with the Sight Pusher tool company, not Beretta.

They got their sight into the gun without breaking or marring up the slide, didn't they? That would probably mean they could remove it without breaking the slide also.

Did they recommend for you to use the tool to remove sights yourself? Is it in the manual? If so, you have beef with both - beretta and the tool company.

I know it can be frustrating when something seemingly simple turns into a big problem, and some manufacturers have better warranty terns than others, but man...

[FalconLair]

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=130286

http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=124313

I don't think there are many real PX4 enthusiasts in your forum. I would suggest you go to berettaforum.net, as there are a lot of expert there, who know their tools' strength and also the weakness.

For example, TomSmith_USA (Senior Member of BerettaForum.net) comments: "I spoke with a Beretta gunsmith at their factory who knowingly chuckled at my exclamation how the newer Px4s sites were like trying to move a glacier. "

Please carefully read my full post before putting your comment.

"Some people may misunderstand the reason I post this thread and guess I was trying to find a scapegoat for what happened. I did know what happened, and I didn't blame anyone else for making the crack except myself. I'm just telling other PX4 owners:
<1> The difference between PX4 and other semi-auto, it's hard to push sight but easy to crack slide. With what happens to my PX4, I'm confused whether my hand is too strong or too weak at the time?
<2> The difference between Beretta customer service and other manufacturers, they ask you to pay the shipping before identifying the problem. Until gunsmith looks into the pistol, nobody knows it's caused by sight pusher. I told them I find a crack and need their expertize to look into. I'm fine to pay it if it's my fault.
<3> The difference between PX4 slide and other pistol's slides. It cost $400+, more than a whole new pistol. As far as I know, Glock slide is less than half of the price."

your links relate to people who have had trouble removing the sights, not cracking their slides due to trying it - just because Beretta's sights are difficult to remove, that doesn't mean it's a design flaw on their part with the slides

it simply means that once those sights are installed they are going to be very difficult to remove, even if you have purchased a tool that is geared toward removing them, even if you've had some experience in removing them

like i mentioned in my last post, when i wanted to remove my bullet button i bought the best tool on the market for that and still couldn't remove it - it was beyond my expertise and i ended up taking it to the gunsmith - on the scale of working on your firearms, how hard should it be to remove a nut? The nut on my bullet button was impossible for me to loosen - who do i blame?

i guess what im trying to say is, there are no guarantees - you did your best, did your homework, gathered all the information pertinent to your project including getting the proper tool for the job - it just wasn't gonna happen

i don't see why that is a reason to give up or blame Beretta - many firearms have different pros and cons and difficulties about installing certain aftermarket accessories, not just Beretta

[maulich]

No I'm saying accidents happen. And experience cannot be taught on YouTube. Every gun has it's personality and proper hands on experience can prevent things like this from happening. You are silly to think just because a tool is sold that anyone will be able to use it properly in every application.

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[semilin]

your links relate to people who have had trouble removing the sights, not cracking their slides due to trying it - just because Beretta's sights are difficult to remove, that doesn't mean it's a design flaw on their part with the slides

Do you really read what I posted?

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=130286

I won't say it the third time. Please carefully read my full post before putting your comment.

[semilin]

No I'm saying accidents happen. And experience cannot be taught on YouTube. Every gun has it's personality and proper hands on experience can prevent things like this from happening. You are silly to think just because a tool is sold that anyone will be able to use it properly in every application.

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Nothing wrong with "accidents happen, and experience cannot be taught on YouTube", it's fair to pay for what we did. But, as a product, if there is any "personality" of the product which is extremely or unexpectedly different from other similar products in the market, and by ignoring the "personality", ordinary users use it in a common practice with common sense of other similar products, could cause significant damage or loss, and also these kinds of damages have happened and been known by manufacturer, the company should explicit notices new customer in advance the different "personality" and the risk of damage.

[Svashtar]

No I'm saying accidents happen. And experience cannot be taught on YouTube. Every gun has it's personality and proper hands on experience can prevent things like this from happening. You are silly to think just because a tool is sold that anyone will be able to use it properly in every application.

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