I am Done with Beretta ( PX4 rear sight replacement causes crack on slide )

[piedrarc]

Why not? Ive used pushers on Sigs and a Colt, and nobody paid me to say anything.

Is that annoying?

Very annoying.

[piedrarc]

So you are saying not to use a tool specifically designed for something because it's for novices.......and to pound on it with a punch and hammer instead? You my friend win the prize!!!!!!!!

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It is for a novice, properly fitting a sight takes skill with a file. Nice try though.

[maulich]

It is for a novice, properly fitting a sight takes skill with a file. Nice try though.

The filing takes place after the old sight is removed......let's not act like we know everything ok?

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[piedrarc]

The filing takes place after the old sight is removed......let's not act like we know everything ok?

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[maulich]

Look....I don't own this firearm, but from pics in ops other thread it's obvious that that side of the slide has hollow cavity's covered by thin metal. Now anyone who has experience working with clamps of any kind knows this can be problematic. And with a sight tool you have two forces going on...the slide being clamped in the tool, and the force of the tool pushing. In situations like this you must reinforce the hollow cavity's with shims or other support or flexing will occur. It's a bummer this happened to the op....I feel his pain, I have buggered up a few things over the last 35 years. No need to banter with each other.....this is all good stuff in the end.
To the OP
I appreciate your other thread. You have displayed perfectly the layout of the slide and have created a valuable tool for those looking to do a sight change on this particular pistol. I appreciate you taking your bad experience and using it as a tool to educate others.

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[Gowking]

OP should start yet another thread on this just 'cause...

[piedrarc]

I am Done with Beretta ( PX4 rear sight replacement causes crack on slide )

Look....

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[IVC]

I contact Beretta customer service online. They ask me to ship the pistol to them for inspection. I explicitly tell them I bought this pistol last year but they still say the shipping cost ($100+) is on me.
...
Two weeks later, I get a call from Beretta, saying gunsmith took a look at the pistol and said it was broken by using sight tool, so not covered by warranty.

Sorry, you may misunderstand. I know what happened, and I didn't blame anyone for the crack except myself. I'm just telling other PX4 users:
The difference between PX4 and other semi-auto, it's hard to push sight but easy to crack slide
The difference between Beretta customer service and other manufacturers, they ask you to pay the shipping before identifying the problem. Until gunsmith looks into the pistol, nobody knows it's caused by sight pusher. I told them I find a crack and need their expertize to look into. I'm fine to pay it if it's my fault.
The difference between PX4 slide and other pistol's slides. It cost $400+, more than the pistol itself. As far as I know, Glock slide is less than half of the price.

Here is my problem.

The gunsmith sees a crack and he immediately knows it's caused by a sight tool without asking or confirming with you? Unlikely. To make that diagnosis he would have to know in advance that you were using a sight tool. However, if this is the case, then your point (2) above is moot - calling a company to tell them you cracked the slide while installing sights is sufficient for them to ask you to pay for the shipping. Also, the price of the shipping is not determined by the company, but by the carrier. It does not cost $100 to ship a handgun.

Similarly, point (3) is just how the aftermarket parts are priced. For example, just the sights will cost you over $100 (for good ones), which is a quarter of the value of a new PX4. Buy a few magazines and it's another $100. This is not just Beretta, that's all of the gun industry. And all of the car industry. And most other industries as well.

Finally, point (1) is also misleading as you claim that it's "easy to crack slide." Well, how many PX4 slides have cracked without being butchered? If they crack on their own (and there are certainly batches of various guns that had these types of issues at one time or another), then you have a point. Otherwise, you're just mad that a tool cracked the slide.

[IVC]

From your OTHER thread:

I contact Beretta customer service online. They ask me to ship the pistol to them for inspection. I explicitly tell them I bought this pistol last year but they still say the shipping cost ($100+) is on me.
...
Two weeks later, I get a call from Beretta, saying gunsmith took a look at the pistol and said it was broken by using sight tool, so not covered by warranty.

Sorry, you may misunderstand. I know what happened, and I didn't blame anyone for the crack except myself. I'm just telling other PX4 users:
The difference between PX4 and other semi-auto, it's hard to push sight but easy to crack slide
The difference between Beretta customer service and other manufacturers, they ask you to pay the shipping before identifying the problem. Until gunsmith looks into the pistol, nobody knows it's caused by sight pusher. I told them I find a crack and need their expertize to look into. I'm fine to pay it if it's my fault.
The difference between PX4 slide and other pistol's slides. It cost $400+, more than the pistol itself. As far as I know, Glock slide is less than half of the price.

Here is my problem.

The gunsmith sees a crack and he immediately knows it's caused by a sight tool without asking or confirming with you? Unlikely. To make that diagnosis he would have to know in advance that you were using a sight tool. However, if this is the case, then your point (2) above is moot - calling a company to tell them you cracked the slide while installing sights is sufficient for them to ask you to pay for the shipping. Also, the price of the shipping is not determined by the company, but by the carrier. It does not cost $100 to ship a handgun.

Similarly, point (3) is just how the aftermarket parts are priced. For example, just the sights will cost you over $100 (for good ones), which is a quarter of the value of a new PX4. Buy a few magazines and it's another $100. This is not just Beretta, that's all of the gun industry. And all of the car industry. And most other industries as well.

Finally, point (1) is also misleading as you claim that it's "easy to crack slide." Well, how many PX4 slides have cracked without being butchered? If they crack on their own (and there are certainly batches of various guns that had these types of issues at one time or another), then you have a point. Otherwise, you're just mad that a tool cracked the slide.

[Subotai]

I beat the hell out of my Shield trying to get the sight to move before I heated it up. Still looking good. I'm surprised I didn't break it.

[SkyHawk]

Sight pushers are overrated. Nothing beats a padded vise, a hammer, and a punch.

I think I’m going to start my Glock OEM sight moving with a delrin punch to break it loose, then finish with the MGW pusher. I can’t see a problem with the Glock slide.


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Are you talking about the stock plastic sights? You will not need a pusher to remove them, period. A few light taps with a delrin punch and you can remove it with your fingers.

[sonofeugene]

A 0.010" wall like that, even if you're not pushing on it, is a design/engineering flaw in my book.

[P220]

Good post.
Thanks for reminding us.

[FalconLair]

Good post.
Thanks for reminding us.

yeah, hopefully he'll send us another reminder next week - i forget so easily

IVC is right too, it's not going to cost $100 to ship, hell he only needs to ship the slide, not the whole damn firearm - USPS small flat rate box $7.05 Priority mail, gets there in 2 days

i send stuff out all the time for that rate

[heidad01]

Can some one else verify that 10 thousandth (10 thou) of an inch thickness measurment for part of the slide?

The average human hair is 4 to 6 thou. It is hard for me to believe any one makes a metal slide with a portion that thin unless if it is a machining error.