AK Pistol with welded 10rnd magazine question

[Baron]

[Dirk Tungsten]

How do you plan to load it? Remove the top cover and BCG every time you fire 10 rounds?

[Lead Waster]

(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

Well, just make sure it burns your hand when you fire the weapon. Makes sense.

[Baron]

Yeah pretty much that's the plan... it'll be a pain, but seems like a better choice then AW registration

Anyways back to the question....

The PC says any non-fixed mag semi auto Pistol with a magwell outside the pistol grip cannot have a second hand grip or barrel shroud

So would that mean that a fixed mag can have a Handguard?

[shalang]

Why not just get the AK Maglatch? Doesn't do any damage to the gun and as far as I can tell is CA compliant.

[mshill]

Penal Code 30515
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

All that being said....

My question is if a 10rnd magazine is welded in place so it's fixed and cannot be removed on a semiautomatic AK Pistol (Draco), can you still have a Handguard or what they like to call a barrel shroud?

I've been searching and can't find an answer, so I figured I'd ask....

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

You quoted the penal code and it is right there (bolded)...

Since the magazine IS FIXED it is not an AW per section 4 and you can have any or all of the features called out in section 4(A-C). Since the magazine is fixed it is not detachable so 4(D) cannot apply.
Since the fixed magazine is 10 rounds or less it is not an AW per section 5.


It is true that the logic in the way the law is written makes it difficult to understand. But realize that this section defines what an AW is and everything else is not an AW.

[Baron]

Lol yeah after I re-read my post I kind of figured I answered my own question LOL

Thanks

On another subject, but related.... what's the Maglatch?

[REDdawn6]

The Hogue fixed mag thingy, is what you want

[Baron]

What's the Hogue Fixed Mag thingy?

[tommyboy619]

On another subject, but related.... what's the Maglatch?

https://maglatchusa.com/

I'm just going to disassemble my mini Draco and leave it in the safe. None of the compliance options for AK pistols are very appealing.

[shalang]

https://maglatchusa.com/

I'm just going to disassemble my mini Draco and leave it in the safe. None of the compliance options for AK pistols are very appealing.

I'm thinking about doing the same thing. The ranges that I go to do not allow it whatsoever. In fact, they put it in a safe so that I wouldn't shoot it.

Will the piston have to be separated from the all other parts? Like given to a relative?

[Quiet]

How do you plan to load it? Remove the top cover and BCG every time you fire 10 rounds?

Currently, all the AK fixed magazine options have the following load/reload procedure:
1. Check to see if empty.
2. Remove top cover.
3. Remove recoil spring guide.
4. Remove bolt carrier group.
5. Load magazine.*
6. Install bolt carrier group.
7. Install recoil spring guide.
8. Install top cover.
9. Chamber firearm.

*AK MagLatch modified firearms... Load magazine or replace empty magazine with loaded magazine.

[Quiet]

Why not just get the AK Maglatch? Doesn't do any damage to the gun and as far as I can tell is CA compliant.

The AK MagLatch will only work with modified AK magazines.
If you use unmodified magazines, then it will operate as a detachable magazine firearm.

Also, there has been third party rumblings that a tool (inserted throught the ejection port) can be used to remove the magazine on an AK with an AK MagLatch.
^Independent testing is still ongoing.

[REDdawn6]

What's the Hogue Fixed Mag thingy?

Crap man, it's for the AR platform.. I would still use a non welded option, if I was in your shoes.
When the Civil War starts, I'd rather remove it fixed mag device than cut welds off.
I would worry about warping that receiver, welding a mag.

[Stanze]

Someone was going to introduce a 10/30 AK mag that you can retain spring down and load from hole behind mag.

I don't have more info other than that.