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  • ThadDaddy
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2015
    • 11

    DIY Trigger Job

    I have a series 80 clone with a crapload of creep. I'm really comfortable with the 4.5 pound pull, but the creep is god awful. I do have a pistolsmith in my area with an outstanding reputation, but I also have a wife prone to yelling about $200 expenditures on toys. Simple question is, will adding a secondary angle shed weight from the trigger or just clean up the creep. I do understand the importance of tolerances, angles, etc., just want a simple answer on the effect of adding that relief.
  • #2
    1911whore
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 2997

    On the 80 series , there is more to it than Cutting a relief angle on the sear. ON ANY 1911 it is more than just that. First square, measure and shortening the hammer hooks, then at a minimum re-cutting the primary angle and cutting a relief or secondary angle is the beginning, the biggest issue with the 80 series is dressing and polishing of the linkage and fp safety plunger, that is where most of the creep is felt in the 80 series. When dressing linkage you also need to deburr the frame slot so you get rid of grit in that area too and polish the appropriate side surfaces on the sear, hammer, and disconnector...that is the short explanation.
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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    • #3
      alland
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 565

      The secondary angle just reduces the amount of creep and will not have much effect on the trigger pull weight. Setting the correct hammer hook height will also control the amount of creep.

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      • #4
        MosinVirus
        Happily Infected
        CGN Contributor
        • Sep 2013
        • 5282

        Creep for sure. Not weight.

        Primary angle can change weight, but messing with either can make the gun unsafe. All depends on your knowledge and experience.
        Hobbies: bla, bla, bla... Bought a Mosin Nagant... Guns, Guns, Guns...

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        • #5
          OCEquestrian
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2017
          • 6906

          DIY trigger jobs, partically the series 80 1911's are NEVER a good idea...
          "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater

          Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ----Benjamin Franklin

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          • #6
            MosinVirus
            Happily Infected
            CGN Contributor
            • Sep 2013
            • 5282

            Originally posted by OCEquestrian
            DIY trigger jobs, partically the series 80 1911's are NEVER a good idea...
            Without a complete understanding of the design and interaction of parts... and without proper tools...

            Since the OP has aN awesome pistolsmith nearby I would recommend spending the money and having it done the right way. Assuming the smith is experienced with 1911s.
            Last edited by MosinVirus; 08-02-2017, 10:40 PM.
            Hobbies: bla, bla, bla... Bought a Mosin Nagant... Guns, Guns, Guns...

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            • #7
              1911whore
              Veteran Member
              • Nov 2006
              • 2997

              Originally posted by MosinVirus
              Without a complete understanding of the design and interaction of parts... and without proper tools...

              Since the OP has aN awesome pistolsmith nearby I would recommend spending the money and having it done the right way. Assuming the smith is experienced with 1911s.
              This too
              "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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              • #8
                lanzer
                Member
                • Jun 2014
                • 133

                Originally posted by ThadDaddy
                I have a series 80 clone with a crapload of creep. I'm really comfortable with the 4.5 pound pull, but the creep is god awful. I do have a pistolsmith in my area with an outstanding reputation, but I also have a wife prone to yelling about $200 expenditures on toys. Simple question is, will adding a secondary angle shed weight from the trigger or just clean up the creep. I do understand the importance of tolerances, angles, etc., just want a simple answer on the effect of adding that relief.
                By the time you pay for the right tool to grind the sear you're better off paying a gunsmith. However if you're not carrying the pistol, you can consider just adjusting the leaf spring to lower the pull weight, which might make the creep less noticeable. That's a mod that doesn't cost much money.
                Trigger jobs, range reports & other mods - https://lanzerbot.wordpress.com/

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                • #9
                  1911whore
                  Veteran Member
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 2997

                  adjusting the leaf spring on an 80 series will lighten the pull but will not address the creep. It is one way to relieve what you feel but the creep will not go away.....
                  "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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                  • #10
                    JTROKS
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 13093

                    $200 is a bit over just to remove the creep. Do you have an older series 80 Colt or does it have all the MIM parts?
                    The wise man said just find your place
                    In the eye of the storm
                    Seek the roses along the way
                    Just beware of the thorns...
                    K. Meine

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                    • #11
                      ThadDaddy
                      Junior Member
                      • Oct 2015
                      • 11

                      Everything BUT the sear/hammer have been addressed already. My thinking was that I could give the sear a shot and if it didn't pan out the smith could have it. She is pretty well recognized as a 1911 whisperer.

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                      • #12
                        ThadDaddy
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2015
                        • 11

                        Originally posted by JTROKS
                        $200 is a bit over just to remove the creep. Do you have an older series 80 Colt or does it have all the MIM parts?
                        MIM. I have already knocked down and polished sides/friction points though.

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                        • #13
                          AKexpat
                          Member
                          • May 2014
                          • 375

                          Trigger creep has nothing to do with the hammer/sear fit on a 1911. If you like your 4.5#pull, don't even attempt any modification to those parts.

                          Watch this and let us know that it works. Been there, done that.



                          Last edited by AKexpat; 08-03-2017, 12:12 PM.

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                          • #14
                            MosinVirus
                            Happily Infected
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 5282

                            Originally posted by AKexpat
                            Trigger creep has nothing to do with the hammer/sear fit on a 1911.
                            First time I see someone say that...
                            Hobbies: bla, bla, bla... Bought a Mosin Nagant... Guns, Guns, Guns...

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                            • #15
                              1911whore
                              Veteran Member
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 2997

                              Thats just incorrect.
                              Last edited by 1911whore; 08-03-2017, 1:37 PM.
                              "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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