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  • MosinVirus
    Happily Infected
    CGN Contributor
    • Sep 2013
    • 5282

    Did they hit wood or did they come back?

    I am at Angeles the other day. Right side, pistol frame area...

    The frame where we hang cardboard targets is about 7 yards away from the tables.

    I hang my target, look down, see a bullet. Then another, then another, etc...

    Here are the ones I found that day:





    Some look like they didn't go too far (probably struck the frame) others look like they came back... or do you think they all struck the frame? The wooden frame is all shot up... it is 6x6 studs I believe... I saw someone finally shoot one stud in two halves the other day... it was more important for those shooters to get good phone video and pictures than aiming.
    Last edited by MosinVirus; 06-20-2017, 11:33 PM.
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  • #2
    AreWeFree
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 4558

    Never had a bullet return to me.

    The distance you mentioned doesn't make sense.
    Is there another bay facing your direction?

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    • #3
      AreWeFree
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2013
      • 4558

      Given the quantity/variety you're showing, it can't be happen stance.

      There's almost no way a projectile traveling with that much energy can be redirected 180 degrees.

      I can imagine a few instances, but certainly not at that distance, certainly not at a soft target like wood, and certainly not without significant deformation.

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      • #4
        JTROKS
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2007
        • 13093

        It's amazing where bullets end up. I've been at an action pistol range where the a bullet fragment from the 25 yard or 100 yard range drew blood from one of the shooters.
        The wise man said just find your place
        In the eye of the storm
        Seek the roses along the way
        Just beware of the thorns...
        K. Meine

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        • #5
          MosinVirus
          Happily Infected
          CGN Contributor
          • Sep 2013
          • 5282

          The range extends 100 yards in an upward slope. To the left there is another pistol section with steel targets at 25, 50, 75, and 100 or so yards. A large wall separates the two sections but some of the farther targets are higher than the wall.

          I cannot imagine bullets striking an upward slope and coming back, plus they were all found just behind the frame, so perhaps they all struck wood and fell???

          Next time I go I will look for more. I will make it a thing.
          Hobbies: bla, bla, bla... Bought a Mosin Nagant... Guns, Guns, Guns...

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          • #6
            AreWeFree
            Veteran Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 4558

            Originally posted by MosinVirus
            The range extends 100 yards in an upward slope. To the left there is another pistol section with steel targets at 25, 50, 75, and 100 or so yards. A large wall separates the two sections but some of the farther targets are higher than the wall.

            I cannot imagine bullets striking an upward slope and coming back, plus they were all found just behind the frame, so perhaps they all struck wood and fell???

            Next time I go I will look for more. I will make it a thing.
            I sometimes look for and recover bullets in dirt around my targets, none have ever come back towards me.

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            • #7
              MosinVirus
              Happily Infected
              CGN Contributor
              • Sep 2013
              • 5282

              Right, so they all hit the frame then... I am talking about the ones I found.
              Hobbies: bla, bla, bla... Bought a Mosin Nagant... Guns, Guns, Guns...

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              • #8
                AreWeFree
                Veteran Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 4558

                Originally posted by MosinVirus
                Right, so they all hit the frame then... I am talking about the ones I found.
                Maybe you guys shot your wood frames, but those absolutely didn't stop the bullets.

                Mine were stopped by earth or steel.

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                • #9
                  Mr. Torgue
                  Member
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 250

                  I've shot at the range you're talking about and I don't think any of those are ricochets. Ricochets typically are much more deformed with what looks like a bent bullet.

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                  • #10
                    Clairvaux
                    Member
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 442

                    lol MV has the best threads ..... some people collect seashells at the beach .....

                    1. They're all obviously handgun projectiles (in your pics)

                    2. Be careful of Survivor Bias, the back berm is not a uniform surface; it's certainly possible for projectiles to impact the berm or things on or under the berm and ricochet back to the firing line. Consider how many projectiles are shot downrange in just 1 day.
                    sigpic WTB: P220 Match, P229 Scorpion, Walther GSP, Stag Model 6, Eotech Vudu SR1/SR2

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                    • #11
                      ojisan
                      Agent 86
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 11748

                      Could be some hit rocks on the ground and have bounced back.

                      Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
                      I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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                      • #12
                        hambam105
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 7083

                        When you shoot 9mm ammo from an obsolete pistol the bullets don't go as fast and can't usually penetrate typical cardboard paper targets. That is why it must have been easy to find those.

                        I don't think any of those are ricochets
                        The guy at the gun show told me that all ricochets have a 'R' stamped on the bullet's base.

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                        • #13
                          JTROKS
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 13093

                          Most of those rounds are probably stopped by the stand. Rounds that hit steel will be fragmented or dented out of shape.
                          The wise man said just find your place
                          In the eye of the storm
                          Seek the roses along the way
                          Just beware of the thorns...
                          K. Meine

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                          • #14
                            Jimi Jah
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 17803

                            Once the lead has left the barrel it belongs to Angeles to recycle and sell. Another reason to go elsewhere.

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                            • #15
                              holt7153
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 1877

                              Originally posted by MosinVirus
                              it was more important for those shooters to get good phone video and pictures than aiming.
                              Just got back from Angeles and saw plenty of this stuff today.
                              sigpic

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