Carry question

[cyberfish2]

I installed a .22 adaptor on one of my 9mm carry guns, so I can practice for cheap, but it occurred to me I probably can't use it as a carry gun in any sort of altered state? It wouldn't be adequate as a .22 anyway, but it is sure fun to shoot.
It is a CZ75 PCR compact, with a Kadet adaptor kit. The 10 round mags stick out a little on the compact, but it works, and installed without problems.

I know these kits are available for lots of semi autos, so how do you like yours?

[Mossy Man]

what county

[JJE]

I've got a Glock 19 that has an Advantage Arms 22 kit on it semi-permanently (I can't remember the last time I shot 9mm through this gun). I have another stock G19, a G26 and my carry gun is a G42. I probably shoot 22LR through the G19 more than all the centerfire guns combined. It gives me the same trigger practice as 380 or 9mm, at much lower cost. I think it's the best money I've ever spent on a gun accessory.

[Librarian]

I probably can't use it as a carry gun in any sort of altered state

To address just this part, guns carried must be as listed on the license. A gun listed as 9mm would not be acceptable in .22.

[cyberfish2]

I don't really see the value of shooting 22 for "practice". I guess for new, young shooters it's a good idea, but for any adult who's been shooting for more than a few hours, centerfire ammo on the range or dry fire at home.

I don't think 22 is a viable self defense cartridge. Nevermind its size and ability to stop a determined threat, rimfire just isn't as reliable in terms of actually going bang, and conversion kits are not as reliable.

I am not in any way suggesting this .22 conversion is adequate for carry purposes. That caliber is not even allowed on my permit. Therefore, in it's altered state, I can't even carry my CZ 9mm, unless I restore it to 9mm. This takes maybe five minutes; remove the mag, change the slide and slide stop, and I'm good to go.
The value for practice is you can experiment with stance, grip, breathing, trigger squeeze, draw, and hold, at 7-10 cents a round.
You can try shooting, without aiming, from the hip, and be surprised at how well you can do. And have fun in the process.

[wpod]

I don't really see the value of shooting 22 for "practice". I guess for new, young shooters it's a good idea, but for any adult who's been shooting for more than a few hours, centerfire ammo on the range or dry fire at home.

I don't think 22 is a viable self defense cartridge. Nevermind its size and ability to stop a determined threat, rimfire just isn't as reliable in terms of actually going bang, and conversion kits are not as reliable.

I have a dedicated .22lr AR.
Dimensionally and functionally identical to any other AR (except for bolt release).
What a horrible training tool after a few hours (but really fun and inexpensive to shoot).

My CA CCW specifies caliber.

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[bk23103]

I don't really see the value of shooting 22 for "practice". I guess for new, young shooters it's a good idea, but for any adult who's been shooting for more than a few hours, centerfire ammo on the range or dry fire at home.

I don't think 22 is a viable self defense cartridge. Nevermind its size and ability to stop a determined threat, rimfire just isn't as reliable in terms of actually going bang, and conversion kits are not as reliable.

Agreed. I can see the novelty and fun, but for realistic training it seems counterintuitive.

[wpod]

Non sighted fire is for when the adversary is within arms length of your pistol, just to let you know.



This is the handgun forum, as such my comments refer to handguns.

Good dodge.

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[IVC]

The value for practice is you can experiment with stance, grip, breathing, trigger squeeze, draw, and hold, at 7-10 cents a round.

I would strongly advise against this.

Using 22 will not provide the training you seek and is likely to be counterproductive because you will neither work on the fundamentals (the way you would with "dry fire"), nor will you work on the recoil control for the gun you intend to use.

It's quite a long story, but the short version is that you have two parts to shooting "fast and accurate" such as for self-defense shooting or run-and-gun matches: (1) preparation for the shot, (2) gun control after the shot.

The preparation includes drawing, stance, grip, lining up the sights and (most importantly) pressing the trigger without disturbing the sight picture. These are the skills that you should practice in dry fire since they are exactly the same whether you dry fire or live fire. Firing off a round, even if it's a 22, distracts from the core concept of practicing the fundamentals because it introduces elements of recoil control.

Gun control after the shot is what you practice in live fire (you also confirm that your work on the fundamentals is "correct") and using 22 instead of your actual caliber will certainly give you the wrong impression. For example, do a "Bill Drill" with 22, then with 9mm and you'll see why it's not a good idea to use 22 - you are simply not practicing or learning what you should.

What I'd suggest is that you create a practicing schedule consisting of dry fire and live fire, at least 5-1 ratio if not 10-1 of dry fire to live fire. Get your fundamentals in place at home without firing, then use range sessions to tune up and confirm your dry fire practice is correct. Even if you are not interested in improving your draw times and splits, you can benefit a lot by throwing in 2-3 dry fire practices between your range visits.

[bwhited]

Practicing with a 22 is awesome!
It allows you to work on various issues without having to deal with the recoil. This means that there is one less variable to deal with.
This is from a person who is NOT recoil sensitive. Have you even shot groups with a 454?

I don't really see the value of shooting 22 for "practice". I guess for new, young shooters it's a good idea, but for any adult who's been shooting for more than a few hours, centerfire ammo on the range or dry fire at home.

I don't think 22 is a viable self defense cartridge. Nevermind its size and ability to stop a determined threat, rimfire just isn't as reliable in terms of actually going bang, and conversion kits are not as reliable.

[cyberfish2]

Practicing with a 22 is awesome!
It allows you to work on various issues without having to deal with the recoil. This means that there is one less variable to deal with.
This is from a person who is NOT recoil sensitive. Have you even shot groups with a 454?

I was at our indoor range recently when this guy came in with his girlfriend and set up in the booth next to me. At first, he was teaching her how to shoot a .22 semi auto. But when it was his turn - I guess he was trying to impress her - he opened up with a .460S&W. I gotta get better ear muffs.
The concussive force inside a closed building reminded me of stuff I remember forgetting, and I had to pack up and leave.

[bwhited]

It may be boring but it teaches you how to shoot i.e. trigger control, sight picture, and builds accuracy.

I don't want to shoot groups with a 454. Group shooting is kinda boring.

[Calico1404]

As some have stated, many if not all agencies do not allow a .22 as a carry, regardless of the conversion now its a caliber conflict as well. Save it for the range only

[Angrysnarf]

It depends on IA. I know some say only the caliber on the permit is allowed. For example, a dude with a glock 23 needs to have two separate entries for it in 9mm and in 40

[robert101]

I do see the many valid points of not practicing with 22LR in a carry gun. I bought a 22 conversation kit for my 1911 and I shoot it often. Switching back and forth between 22LR and 45 Automatic is good stuff and it does contribute to accuracy training. Yes, I am more accurate with the 22LR. You can say it is my trigger control, recoil management, etc. but it does help and improve your shooting and it is FUN.