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thanks man, you're very helpful and I appreciate it! Im told it could take 4 years to even get one tho... you understand impulsive buying right? you're a gun guy after all an it goes with the territory! i should have kept my Oregon DL until after I bought my guns! Had no idea this law even existed until I recently bought a CQB.. sad state of affairs in our fine state.
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Wilson Combat CQB Compact (CA), Supergrade Tactical Custom / Les Baer UM-5 1.5"/ Sig 220 Equinox .45ACP
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If you are near Sac, Cordova has a two-tone and a black. Classic/Tactical.
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No problem. They stock a lot of Wilson's and Baer's too.Comment
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there are so many differences between that one and the one I want that I wonder how much they'll charge to make those changes? and if all /any of them would then make it non-CA compliant. Maybe its just not meant to be... so sad. Wonder if we can ever get this dumb law overturned?Wilson Combat CQB Compact (CA), Supergrade Tactical Custom / Les Baer UM-5 1.5"/ Sig 220 Equinox .45ACP
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It doesn't matter if you make it non compliant after you buy it, so long as it remains a non-assault weapon.
The sky is the limit. Make any change you want besides full auto or threaded barrel or buttstock. You can do any finish, any engraving, any custom mods you want besides those.
As I said, plenty of us have our Wilsons and Nighthawks customized extensively. I am about to send one of my CA Wilsons back to Wilson for extensive work, and it will not be coming back as a CA roster gun but that is perfectly legal. Just be ready to dust off the checkbook.Last edited by SkyHawk; 04-08-2017, 9:14 PM.Comment
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ok, gonna call Wilson monday and see what those customizations will cost and how long they'll take starting with a fresh CA Supergrade.. I'm hoping under $2K since I'm already $5300 in and this one is $7100. I might also check with Wilson on the outside chance this one was sold as CA compliant (wishful thinking.Wilson Combat CQB Compact (CA), Supergrade Tactical Custom / Les Baer UM-5 1.5"/ Sig 220 Equinox .45ACP
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It does not matter if it was originally Ca compliant - if it has been modified you CANNOT import it. It doesn't matter if Jerry Brown himself owned it in the past. It is out of state now and customized, it is done - not coming back unless someone moves here with it or someone is gifted it by direct family out living out of state, or a CA law enforcement officer buys it.
You *must* start with your own CA roster gun in the tested roster config, or you have to buy what you want already customized from a CA resident in person. Which rules out that Texas gun.
If you have a child, grandchild, parent, or grandparent who lives out of state - they can buy and gift you that gun from Texas. But it still has to go through a CA FFL. Otherwise unless you become law enforcement, forget it. You cannot import guns that are not on roster and not still in the roster config.
I know these laws are hard to follow. But let that gun go - as I said, it is not happening. You must make one yourself.Last edited by SkyHawk; 04-08-2017, 9:23 PM.Comment
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ok, thanks... Cant believe this law hasn't been struck down already.Wilson Combat CQB Compact (CA), Supergrade Tactical Custom / Les Baer UM-5 1.5"/ Sig 220 Equinox .45ACP
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this is the response i got for a gun lawyer...
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32030. (a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 32015 if another firearm made by the same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following features: (1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating, oiling, or engraving. (2) The material from which the grips are made. (3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm. (4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.
Calif wanted a ambi safety which the gun has.
"only in one or more" So its Two?
Also it is fluted barrel and chamber. But it says that as long as it does not alter the functioning of the parts.
The Bull Barrel may be the problem on this pistol. The finish is one difference, barrel makes two. I think they will accept one only. Not sure if I am reading this right. Take this to your FFL and go over it.Wilson Combat CQB Compact (CA), Supergrade Tactical Custom / Les Baer UM-5 1.5"/ Sig 220 Equinox .45ACP
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Tell me now if fluting the barrel and chamber have altered the dimensions in any way of the barrel and chamber?Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.
And besides, it is a moot point. That PC is only for MANUFACTURERS to get additional models listed on the roster, not for you and me to go buy what we want off roster.
PC32030 is not an exemption for a buyer to make off roster purchases of 'cosmetically similar' handguns, nor is it an exemption for a FFL to transfer them to non exempt buyers. It is only a mechanism for a mfg to get additional models listed for pure cosmetic changes.
See part B of that PC your lawyer cited. He may need to go back to law school.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=32030.
And also (c) which says DOJ can require a sample before the new roster listing is made for purely cosmetic reasons:(b)Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the following:
(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.
(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer seeks to have listed under this section.
(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other respects identical to the listed firearm.
(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model complies with the requirements of this section.
The fact that your desired gun is not even on the roster BY SKU will be a non starter for any FFL.c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model complies with the requirements of this section.
If Wilson could list this additionally on roster under PC32030 for 'cosmetic reasons', don't you think they would have already? And many of their other 'similar' 1911s? It is a question that sort of answers itself.
The real problem is that all new (non-Ca) Wilson guns now use their new bulletproof internals and small parts, so they are far beyond 'cosmetic' changes only. There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye or that can be discerned from a photo. Wilson has made internal improvements in materials and manufacturing processes (CNC from barstock) that DOJ and CA law considers to be substantial, making them completely unlike the tested and grandfathered roster configs from long ago, and thus requiring new submission which would include mag safety, LCI, and microstamping. It is the same reason that every Colt fell off the roster last year.
Listen to the guys who have been to the rodeo a few times. It is not happening unless you find a FFL willing to risk everything to break the law. There is no loophole for this one except the direct family gift.
Just be thankful Wilson still makes the original grandfathered CA config. Buy it while you still can, send it back for bullet proof internals and whatever else you want done, pay the resulting CA BS premium, and call it a day.Last edited by SkyHawk; 04-09-2017, 10:21 AM.Comment
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You've already gotten plenty of responses. Again, if you want to customize it, buy the CA roster version first and then send it off to Wilson yourself to have it customized. This is the only way it can be done unless you found a custom Wilson for sale in CA via private sales therefore it would require a PPT, face-to-face transaction since it'll be considered "off-roster" due to the custom work performed.
The bull barrel isn't the problem either. You're seriously digging into the situation deeper than you need to.
SkyHawk already gave you the best response you can receive.Comment
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