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  • IBUYGOLD
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 84

    New VS Private Party Transfer?

    does any body know?

    Does the one handgun every 30 days apply to PPT

    the same way it does for New from a dealer?
  • #2
    ke6guj
    Moderator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Nov 2003
    • 23725

    PPT and cosignment sales are exempt from the 1-in-30 day restriction on purchasing/transfering handguns through a dealer.

    Except for places like LA, which have their own 1-in-30-day law, and PPT/cosignments are not exempt there.
    Jack



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    • #3
      IBUYGOLD
      Junior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 84

      Originally posted by ke6guj
      PPT and cosignment sales are exempt from the 1-in-30 day restriction on purchasing/transfering handguns through a dealer.

      Except for places like LA, which have their own 1-in-30-day law, and PPT/cosignments are not exempt there.
      I am in Sacto, no probelem?

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      • #4
        ke6guj
        Moderator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Nov 2003
        • 23725

        I dunno. Don't live out that way so I don't keep up on local laws around there. Never heard of any issues though.

        IIRC, San Fran had a similar law, but it may have been thrown out when the NRA sued last year.
        Jack



        Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

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        • #5
          X-NewYawker
          In Memoriam
          • May 2008
          • 5993

          Originally posted by ke6guj
          PPT and cosignment sales are exempt from the 1-in-30 day restriction on purchasing/transfering handguns through a dealer.

          Except for places like LA, which have their own 1-in-30-day law, and PPT/cosignments are not exempt there.
          Maybe in the actual "city of LA" but the stores within the county in their own Cities like Burbank and Culver City will DROS any number of PPT handguns in your 30 day period.

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          • #6
            ke6guj
            Moderator
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Nov 2003
            • 23725

            Correct, the City of LA is what I meant by LA, not LA county.
            Jack



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            • #7
              mydogsmonkey
              Veteran Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 4166

              AFAIK, you can PPT as many times as you want, new guns only apply to 1 in 30

              Ernest

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              • #8
                Trader Jack
                Banned
                • Oct 2005
                • 452

                Originally posted by mydogsmonkey
                AFAIK, you can PPT as many times as you want, new guns only apply to 1 in 30
                Ernest
                Not quite true. Any concealable firearm sold by a dealer NEW or USED falls under the one in thirty day rule.

                BTW: This same question is asked three times a week, each and every week.
                Same old, same old.

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                • #9
                  eaglemike
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 3897

                  Originally posted by Trader Jack
                  Not quite true. Any concealable firearm sold by a dealer NEW or USED falls under the one in thirty day rule.

                  BTW: This same question is asked three times a week, each and every week.
                  Same old, same old.
                  Quoted for the record - and wrong. Private party transfers, above noted as PPT, are not subject to the 1/30 day rule.

                  A used firearm sold from dealer owned stock is subject, but this is not a PPT. A used gun sold from dealer stock, must be on the "not unsafe" roaster. All new guns from dealer stock are subject to the 1/30 rule.

                  Local laws as noted above might differ. State law is currently PPT's are exempt.

                  all the best,
                  Mike
                  Last edited by eaglemike; 02-16-2009, 11:19 PM. Reason: clarity
                  There are some people that it's just not worth engaging.

                  It's a muzzle BRAKE, not a muzzle break. Or is your muzzle tired?

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                  • #10
                    solanoshooter
                    Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 252

                    Originally posted by Trader Jack
                    Not quite true. Any concealable firearm sold by a dealer NEW or USED falls under the one in thirty day rule.

                    BTW: This same question is asked three times a week, each and every week.
                    Same old, same old.

                    Kind of misleading. If the firearm is on consignment 1/30 doesn't apply. It only applies to used firearms that are in the dealers stock.

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                    • #11
                      ke6guj
                      Moderator
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 23725

                      it can be said in many different ways.

                      I think the best way to think of it is that ALL (New or used) handguns sold/transfered through a dealer fall under the 1-in-30 unless it is a PPT or Cosignment.

                      If you just say NEW, then someone'll try to buy that used Glock thats in inventory. If you say it includes USED, then someone'll ask about cosignment guns.


                      Originally posted by eaglemike
                      Quoted for the record - and wrong. Private party transfers, above noted as PPT, are not subject to the 1/30 day rule.
                      traderjack said SOLD by a dealer, so PPTs wouldn't fall under his statement. And he was trying to clarify a misstatement by mydogsmonkey that was saying that the 1-in-30 only applied to NEW handguns.

                      A used firearm sold from dealer owned stock is subject, but this is not a PPT. A used gun sold from dealer stock, must be on the "not unsafe" roaster. All new guns from dealer stock are subject to the 1/30 rule.
                      And cosignments would be looked on as if it was a PPT.
                      Last edited by ke6guj; 02-16-2009, 11:28 PM.
                      Jack



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                      • #12
                        eaglemike
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 3897

                        The OP was PPT vs new.... agree, the difference is between dealer stock vs. consign or PPT, which of course makes no sense. Since the consignment gun is "sold" by the dealer, that is different...
                        all the best,
                        Mike
                        There are some people that it's just not worth engaging.

                        It's a muzzle BRAKE, not a muzzle break. Or is your muzzle tired?

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                        • #13
                          ke6guj
                          Moderator
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 23725

                          right, and the OP got his answer, and then bad/incorrect/incomplete info was posted into the thread, and trader jack made an attempt to clarify that.

                          the problem is that many people try to label dealer stock as NEW, even though it could be NEW or USED.

                          And cosignment sales are wierd in that, IIRC, there exists no PC for the cosignment to be roster-exempt. But CADOJ allows for it to be treated as a sort of "delayed PPT", because, I guess the alternative to a guy not being able to cosign a firearm through the dealer could lead to more paperless sales.
                          Jack



                          Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

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                          • #14
                            Justin562
                            Member
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 223

                            Wow, you guys scared me for a second there...maybe 3 seconds.
                            I just ppt 2 handguns this month in signal hill...for 1-3 seconds I actually thought I did somthing illegal.
                            So does that mean if your drivers license states your house is in L.A. and you did more than 1 ppt in a month at a ffl in pasadena; you can get in trouble?
                            just curious. I live in L.B.
                            I'm not crazy...Just unemployed

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                            • #15
                              glockwise2000
                              Veteran Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2531

                              Originally posted by Justin562
                              Wow, you guys scared me for a second there...maybe 3 seconds.
                              I just ppt 2 handguns this month in signal hill...for 1-3 seconds I actually thought I did somthing illegal.
                              So does that mean if your drivers license states your house is in L.A. and you did more than 1 ppt in a month at a ffl in pasadena; you can get in trouble?
                              just curious. I live in L.B.
                              No, It only applies if you did PPT in the City of LA. Signal Hills is a different city unless SH has their own law regarding PPTs. Your just perfectly fine.
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