Glock 17 question from a M&P owner

[hundy]

I have all the S&W M&P's made in both 40 and 9mm. I really like them and bought up what I could prior to them falling off the roster.
I recently bought a Glock 17 new from my local gun store. I wanted a glock after talking to several LE friends. They talked about the reliability. One told me about firing in 3 different class thousands of rounds and not cleaning between classes and still worked flawlessly. I should add they have the Gen4 and I believe that is one model that we the regular law abiding citizen of California cannot buy.
When I fired it at the range, I liked everything about it, except that it would occasionally have a jam or one that would not feed from the magazine. I was firing reloads, but I had no issues with the batch of reloads in my S&W's.
Now I am not writing this to be a Glock vs S&W thread.
I was asking anyone with a Glock 17 is this a common issue when they are new? And is there a big difference in operation from a Gen 4 and the ones we can get here in California.

Thank you

Jay

[Bodh1]

I have all the S&W M&P's made in both 40 and 9mm. I really like them and bought up what I could prior to them falling off the roster.
I recently bought a Glock 17 new from my local gun store. I wanted a glock after talking to several LE friends. They talked about the reliability. One told me about firing in 3 different class thousands of rounds and not cleaning between classes and still worked flawlessly. I should add they have the Gen4 and I believe that is one model that we the regular law abiding citizen of California cannot buy.
When I fired it at the range, I liked everything about it, except that it would occasionally have a jam or one that would not feed from the magazine. I was firing reloads, but I had no issues with the batch of reloads in my S&W's.
Now I am not writing this to be a Glock vs S&W thread.
I was asking anyone with a Glock 17 is this a common issue when they are new? And is there a big difference in operation from a Gen 4 and the ones we can get here in California.

Thank you

Jay

Hard primers on the reloads. Different spring weights in each gun.

[003]

I have several Glock pistols. 17, 34 40 and 41. I have never had a single malfunction of any kind with any of them. My 34 is going on 30,000 rounds with no issue of any kind. I did change out the recoil spring a while back, but other than that is is 100% stock as it came from the factory.

I am an experienced shooter and have owned a number of different handguns over the past 50 years. While they may not be the prettiest or sexiest, Glocks work as advertised. Amazing reliable.

[etwinam]

I'm more amazed you really liked the Glock 17 block and trigger feel being an M&P Guy before. I tried every gun out there within reason before finally realizing I was an M&P guy. I changed the triggers out though. I still wish {I could like Glock's i've tried but I just don't like them unless they are shaved and undercut from a custom place like Glockstore and then it's not really the same gun at that point.

On the jamming issue, I have heard a lot about the brass to the face and stovepiping but never a failure to feed. I wonder if its your reloads... that's always my first question but it usually is never the culprit. I have heard of frame cracking but I have only heard that once and it isn't a pattern as far I know.

If you like the G17 get one, but the Gen 3's are much more reliable if you can deal with the grip and no backstraps... that's what I would try first.

[nikki#2]

I was asking anyone with a Glock 17 is this a common issue when they are new?

And is there a big difference in operation from a Gen 4 and the ones we can get here in California.

Not with my G17, but I recall a number of posts where folks were having issues with their G19's (mag issue, IIRC).

Not a big difference in operation, unless you're left handed. To me, the biggest difference is the Gen4's grip texture and ergo's: Gen3 < Gen4 < M&P

[MGK]

Few hundred rounds through a Gen 3 G17 and no malfunctions whatsoever. *knock on wood*

And you could have one of your LEO buddies PPT a Gen 4 if that's really what you want and like.

[fawndog]

I have all the S&W M&P's made in both 40 and 9mm. I really like them and bought up what I could prior to them falling off the roster.
I recently bought a Glock 17 new from my local gun store. I wanted a glock after talking to several LE friends. They talked about the reliability. One told me about firing in 3 different class thousands of rounds and not cleaning between classes and still worked flawlessly. I should add they have the Gen4 and I believe that is one model that we the regular law abiding citizen of California cannot buy.
When I fired it at the range, I liked everything about it, except that it would occasionally have a jam or one that would not feed from the magazine. I was firing reloads, but I had no issues with the batch of reloads in my S&W's.
Now I am not writing this to be a Glock vs S&W thread.
I was asking anyone with a Glock 17 is this a common issue when they are new? And is there a big difference in operation from a Gen 4 and the ones we can get here in California.

Thank you

Jay

I think the gen3 is the best EDC gun out there. I recently got some new CA-mags just in case I was visiting SF or another rabid anti gun city. For some reason they don't feed as well. I've shot the Glock 34, 17, 19, 21, 32, 26, in IPSC, IDPA, and 3gun. I've run a G17 for 2 years without cleaning it, finally the extractor got too gummed up to extract.
The only problem I've encountered with mags is the G32 CA mag + HP ammo jamming itself into the feed ramp instead of climbing it (13rnd mags were fine).

If it doesn't strip the next round you held it too softly or hit the mag release. The "jam" leads me to think it's the former.

[D.A.V.I.D.]

Only problem I've ever had with the around 10 glocks I've owned was wearing out the firing pin on a couple and having light primer strikes, that was from aftermarket triggers though. Put lots of reloads through them too.

[boopiejones]

I've had problems with used 10 round G17 mags. Occasional stovepipes, which doesn't sound like a mag problem, but I can only replicate the problem with the 10 round mags. For what it's worth, my 10 rounders have significantly lighter spring tension than my pinned 17 rounders.

[lakersfan]

The only problem I've encountered with mags is the G32 CA mag + HP ammo jamming itself into the feed ramp instead of climbing it (13rnd mags were fine).

If it doesn't strip the next round you held it too softly or hit the mag release. The "jam" leads me to think it's the former.

That's good to know about the G32. My new G32 came with double stack 10 rounders instead of the single stack so maybe Glock did this as a fix. A plastic spacer limits it to 10. I hope I can find these double stack 10's in stores soon and hope they carry it over to the G17/19 as well.

[bohoki]

sounds like you need to mark your mags and verify it one is causing a problem

glock perfection is a lie it should be glock "good enough"

sorry to say but the 10 round mags are not very good the way the cartridges sit in there its crazy i swear there must have been like 20 different follower revisions

i got an ets 10 rounder and its working great give one a shot how many magazines do you have at minimum you should have 3 put a piece of tape on the bottom of each next time out and if you experience a jam take that mag out of service if you get a jam on either of the others then you might need to change your ammo

first off i wouldnt use reloads in a new gun till i have been through at least 10 boxes of good factory ammo rem,win,federal to make sure it doesn't have problems

troubleshooting is all about reducing variables

[markgrubb]

I understand that you are interested in the behavior of your G17, but "if it ain't broke....". Experimenting is great but you already have the optimal platform in that genre.

Given that in my experience, your 17's malf's are highly abnormal.

The ergonomics of the M&P are far superior to the Glock and the reliability of the two is equivalent.

For perspective, I attended Rogers Shooting School and 12 of us ran about 4K rounds each of factory reloads through 12 virtually brand new M&P-9's. No cleaning, daily lube and no malfunctions in any guns except a roll pin in one gun kept walking out.

I have both guns and greatly prefer the M&P line. The ability to transition from .22 through .45 in the same platform is great from a training aspect. Add the Shields and what is not to love?

[DNA]

Have you isolated the feeding problems to a single mag or does this happen on all mags? Have you tried other mags?

Dan

[armatt2016]

I own a 17 rtf2 and 19 and have had not one malfunction out of either.

[scamp62]

have 17, 19, 34, 35, & 20, and I have not had a single FTF or FTE