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**onelonehorseman** · 02-03-2017, 7:25 AM

Originally posted by SouthPRK

If I purchase a handgun from GunBroker, can the out of state seller ship to CA himself or must he ship through an FFL?

The non-FFL seller can ship CA LEGAL firearms directly to the CA FFL as long as the CA FFL is willing to accept shipment from a non-FFL; many will not.

**dyson** · 02-03-2017, 7:29 AM

Talk to your receiving FFL

**SouthPRK** · 02-03-2017, 7:33 AM

Anything I can use to show proof of this?

**Paperchasin** · 02-03-2017, 7:39 AM

Originally posted by SouthPRK

Anything I can use to show proof of this?

Proof of what? You already got your answer. The other option is to have the seller take it to an FFL and his FFL ship it to your FFL. Again, talk to your FFL to see if he'll take the transfer and what his fees are.

The other thing that you need to consider, if it applies to you, is whether or not the pistol is transferrable to you.. i.e. Is it on-roster. And also make sure it doesn't have magazines with greater than 10-rd capacity

**SouthPRK** · 02-03-2017, 9:40 AM

Originally posted by Paperchasin

Proof of what? You already got your answer. The other option is to have the seller take it to an FFL and his FFL ship it to your FFL. Again, talk to your FFL to see if he'll take the transfer and what his fees are.

The other thing that you need to consider, if it applies to you, is whether or not the pistol is transferrable to you.. i.e. Is it on-roster. And also make sure it doesn't have magazines with greater than 10-rd capacity

Well reading the responses, some shops will and some won't. From what I read other places it seems that is fine for an individual to send to out of state. I was looking for info to educate my FFL

**SkyHawk** · 02-03-2017, 9:56 AM

Originally posted by SouthPRK

Well reading the responses, some shops will and some won't. From what I read other places it seems that is fine for an individual to send to out of state. I was looking for info to educate my FFL

There is no 'educating' your FFL. They either will or will not accept shipments from non-licensees, and in my experience you aren't going to change that. There is no law that says they have to.

It is perfectly legal. But that said, some FFLs will not do it because they don't get good documentation or any way to verify WHO sent the gun. Since FFLs have to log these guns on to their bound books, including WHO they got it from, some FFLs are not comfortable receiving firearms from non-licensees.

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-common-or-contract-carrier

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm or ammunition, prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or

Frequently Asked Questions

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs#2

California Firearms Licensee Check (CFLC) Program Are there any costs or fees to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number from the Department of Jusice (DOJ)? I am not a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) but I want to ship a firearm from another state to an FFL in California. Do I need to obtain a Firearm Verification Number before shipping a firearm to California? I am an FFL in California. How does the CFLC program affect me? Are any California FFLs exempt from the CFLC verification approval requirement? I am an FFL located outside of California.

**ruddogg** · 02-03-2017, 9:58 AM

check with Mike at OC Armory... he probably will receive an ON ROSTER gun from a non-FFL.

**GM4spd** · 02-03-2017, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by onelonehorseman

The non-FFL seller can ship CA LEGAL firearms directly to the CA FFL as long as the CA FFL is willing to accept shipment from a non-FFL; many will not.

Exactly, get clarification so there is no problem. I've sold guns on GB
including handguns but I specify the receiving FFL has to receive from a
NON licensee. I do provide a clear copy of my DL. Also,I don't require the
buyer to send me an FFL copy,just the FFLs # where I make a copy off
ATF ez check and take it to UPS when I ship. Never had a problem at MY
local UPS HUB doing this,either.(Newbury Park)

**Paperchasin** · 02-03-2017, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by SouthPRK

Anything I can use to show proof of this?

Originally posted by SouthPRK

Well reading the responses, some shops will and some won't. From what I read other places it seems that is fine for an individual to send to out of state. I was looking for info to educate my FFL

It is 100% legal for the seller to send the firearm himself to an FFL, as long as he follows regulations regarding the shipment of firearms... The only real question is along the lines of your comment... Which FFL is going to receive and transfer the firearm?? You'll need to call each FFL you're considering and asking them about their policy on out of state transfers, fees, taxes, etc. Good luck!

**dfletcher** · 02-03-2017, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by SouthPRK

Well reading the responses, some shops will and some won't. From what I read other places it seems that is fine for an individual to send to out of state. I was looking for info to educate my FFL

Others have provided the answer, which is it's legal and check with your receiving FFL because "their business, their rule" and trust me - no amount of "proof" will help if they're not agreeable. I'm sure there's info under Q & A at the ATF website.

Just an FYI, ensuring a smooth transaction is 100% the responsibility of the buyer from start to end. If the receiving FFL accepts from a non-FFL but says "have him include DL copy" then you have to ensure the seller agrees to that - and not a DL copy that can't be read or has everything but the name and photo blacked out. Make sure your FFL will send a copy of his license to the non-FFL, some dealers don't like doing that for fear it could be used without their OK. My FFL writes a note on his license indicating "good on this date for this guy for this deal only".

If you have an FFL you've used before ask him what you need to do, tell him it's all new to you too. And make sure the handgun is CA legal, meaning it can be brought into the state via FFL.

**jakeair777** · 02-03-2017, 10:24 AM

this is your answer

Originally posted by onelonehorseman

The non-FFL seller can ship CA LEGAL firearms directly to the CA FFL as long as the CA FFL is willing to accept shipment from a non-FFL; many will not.

**Winchester47** · 02-03-2017, 10:38 AM

Several years ago I purchased a pre 64 model 70 on gunbroker from an individual (out of state) and eventually got it successfully imported into the state.

Prior to bidding I had read the law and it appeared to me that an out of state individual legally could (but must) send it directly to a California FFL.

I first spoke to my local FFL & he would not even consider receiving it even after reading the print out of the applicable section of the law. The second FFL I spoke to was certain it wasn't legal to receive it and even doubted it after reading the law. However the second FFL phoned the state and was told it was legal for him to receive it from an out of state individual.

Note as previous posts have stated pistols have to be the on Roster etc.

**Angrysnarf** · 02-03-2017, 10:51 AM

Depends if its on roster if handgun or CA legal rifle.

Also if seller is willing

**SouthPRK** · 02-03-2017, 1:49 PM

Got it figured out, educated my FFL. He called DOJ and got it cleared up. Thanks anyway. Gave him a print out of the regs

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