329PD innternal lock to remove or not remove

[DoNotReply]

Should I have the internal locking mechanism removed? Anyone have any issues? It's my backpacking piece so it needs to run 100%. If so, can you recommend a good gunsmith in SoCal to remove and plug?

[Beendare]

Remove it!

There have been cases where due to the fairly heavy recoil of that pistol I've read cases where the hammer lock engages. Read your owners manual too...there have been cases where the last couple bullets creep in their cases and sieze the cylinder. [if you reload, crimp them well.]

I am assuming you have this for big bear protection....and either one of the above causing your weapon to freeze up might <literally, ha!> cost you and arm and a leg.

I've shot the Buff Bore 300gr in that pistol and sure it kicks but it is an accurate piece. I'm in norcal, I bet just about any smith can do it...

[Flying Sig]

Just YouTube it. It is SO easy to do yourself. 10 mins max

Edit: here you go

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RVPYgohVCNM

I've done it a couple times and it's easy.

[MrOrange]

My favorite internal lock story involved a 329, carried by a police detective. He was shooting when the flag part broke off and hit him in the face. The 329 still worked, but having pieces of your gun fly off when you're shooting was understandably disconcerting. He went back to his 629.

However, I would be concerned about disabling any safety mechanism on any firearm that might have to be used in a serious situation, as it might be held against you if you end up in court.

[-hanko]

However, I would be concerned about disabling any safety mechanism on any firearm that might have to be used in a serious situation, as it might be held against you if you end up in court.

Throughout history, that has yet to happen.

Why would removing the lock affect you after a good shoot?

Why are you in court in the first place following a good shoot?

[mievil]

Because the dirt bag's family will inevitably sue you regardless of how dirt baggy the dirt bag was.

[Beendare]

Throughout history, that has yet to happen.

Why would removing the lock affect you after a good shoot?

Why are you in court in the first place following a good shoot?

Though I agree with your premise, Gun mods HAVE been used against a shooter in court cases in the past. The most famous case was Alvarez in Dade county Florida and Roy Blacks first book detailed this- worth the read as its interesting as heck.

[spoiler alert!]
In that case, the LEO had some very minor mods done to his gun and they tried to use it against him in court. The LEO prevailed...but it cost him big $$ to bring in experts like Massad Ayoob to testify for him.

The alvarez case is a good example of how it would go down for a guy here in Ca....as the community, his own dept, the papers...everyone was against the cop and they were belching mis statements galore= a really bad position to be in. The point is; in the event of a shooting, the 3 seconds it takes will be under a microscope for 2 weeks in court...they are going to armchair QB the shooting to death.

I don't think gun mods would be a big deal if you shoot someone with a nightstand gun in your home defending yourself. Or shoot a meth head attacking you on the street in Texas. In Ca, all bets are off. You WILL NOT get a jury of your peers...folks that have been conditioned to think, "guns are bad" and the politicians and news media will be looking to throw you under the bus. A guy out and about with a concealed weapon should take notice.

[-hanko]

Though I agree with your premise, Gun mods HAVE been used against a shooter in court cases in the past. The most famous case was Alvarez in Dade county Florida and Roy Blacks first book detailed this- worth the read as its interesting as heck.

[spoiler alert!]
In that case, the LEO had some very minor mods done to his gun and they tried to use it against him in court. The LEO prevailed...but it cost him big $$ to bring in experts like Massad Ayoob to testify for him.

The alvarez case is a good example of how it would go down for a guy here in Ca....as the community, his own dept, the papers...everyone was against the cop and they were belching mis statements galore= a really bad position to be in. The point is; in the event of a shooting, the 3 seconds it takes will be under a microscope for 2 weeks in court...they are going to armchair QB the shooting to death.

I don't think gun mods would be a big deal if you shoot someone with a nightstand gun in your home defending yourself. Or shoot a meth head attacking you on the street in Texas. In Ca, all bets are off. You WILL NOT get a jury of your peers...folks that have been conditioned to think, "guns are bad" and the politicians and news media will be looking to throw you under the bus. A guy out and about with a concealed weapon should take notice.

Not a particularly germane citation...

You may also want to go back and read a bit more about Alvarez. Like the DA prosecuting with a major racial component. There was a hell of a lot more going on in the trial than a trigger modification.

The gun modification itself was a minor part of the trial...just the DA tossing a bit more gasoline on the campfire.

[-hanko]

Because the dirt bag's family will inevitably sue you regardless of how dirt baggy the dirt bag was.

Which, I think, is why you have an attorney as well as liability insurance.

[mievil]

Yes, but that doesn't keep you out of court, it just helps you once you're there.

[Barbarosa]

Personally I'd leave it alone. Yes, I have heard anecdotal accounts of the IL causing a gun to fail, although I have never actually met anyone it has happened to. I have met people who have had the barrels fly off a new gun, cylinders crack on a new gun, forcing cones split on a new gun, new guns seizing up, etc., etc.

My point is that anything mechanical might fail, but you don't let that stop you from using the gun. It was designed to work with the lock, so why mess with it. Don't get me wrong - I hate the darned things and vastly prefer pre-lock guns, but the few I have purchased haven't been a problem.

[ARDude]

Personally I'd leave it alone. Yes, I have heard anecdotal accounts of the IL causing a gun to fail, although I have never actually met anyone it has happened to. I have met people who have had the barrels fly off a new gun, cylinders crack on a new gun, forcing cones split on a new gun, new guns seizing up, etc., etc.

My point is that anything mechanical might fail, but you don't let that stop you from using the gun. It was designed to work with the lock, so why mess with it. Don't get me wrong - I hate the darned things and vastly prefer pre-lock guns, but the few I have purchased haven't been a problem.

I felt the same way you do....until it happened to me. Brand new 625PC. Fired about 200 round thru it with no problems. No hot rounds, just standard ball ammo. Then it locked up after the 2nd round. Luckily I had the key with me.
Apparently recoil locked it up. It happened 2 more times during the same shooting session.

Went home, cleaned the gun and looked up how to disable/remove the lock.
Since I couldn't find any plugs at the time, I just disabled it.
Couple thousand rounds later....no problems what so ever.

[DoNotReply]

Thanks for all the replies. It seems simple enough to remove myself. My concern was more for the 4 legged variety rather than the two legged although some of you do bring up good points with the legal ramifications. I do practice with full .44 loads without issue. When I go hiking I load it with Buffalo Bore hard cast low recoil loads. It just sucks to have the useless thing on there and have the possibility of a lock up when you might need to send off multiple rounds.