Information on this revolver

[harleyv]

Looking at buying this revolver and can find to much info on it want to know what's a good price to pay

[kenl]

Could be a Remington #4 pocket pistol, or one of the many "suicide specials" made in the 1870s -1910s.

Can't really find any pricing info on the #4s, but one sold for $475 in 2006 http://classic.gunauction.com/search...temnum=7594709

Suicide specials were cheap, not known for reliability, and ammo is generally unattainable. A few years ago prices ranged from $0 to around $200, depending on who made it, caliber, and condition. Not much of a collectors market for them, but IMHO they are a cool little niche of gun history. Don't spend too much for it.

Some info on suicide specials

http://gun-data.com/suicide_specials.htm

[sealocan]

If it is actually a "Remington and Sons" and not a copy (as mentioned above there were lots of cheap copies floating around back then.)
Then it may be a model number 4
And chambered in .38 caliber RIMFIRE (& not the centerfire type of modern ammunition).

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http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/remington-number-4-smoot-revolver-colt-new-line-smith-wesson-baby-russian-antique-guns.htm

[harleyv]

Thanks for the info I guess I'll pass on it she also has this ( pic attached) I don't know if it's worth getting because the ammo

[kenl]

I THINK the 2nd one is chambered in .25 acp

IMHO get both. Just understand that you probably won't be able to shoot ether one, but they look like cool inexpensive older guns.

[SirThoreth]

Dixie Gun Works has brass cartridges meant to be used with black powder or substitute, with a nail gun blank as primer, meant to be loaded with lead ball, for use on old .32/.38/.42 rimfire revolvers.

[Carsgunsandchics]

Thanks for the info I guess I'll pass on it she also has this ( pic attached) I don't know if it's worth getting because the ammo

6.35mm is 25ACP. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/produ...ounds?a=702495
It appears to be one of these http://www.gunbroker.com/item/615251298

[harleyv]

Hmm, I might pick up the little .25acp. I just don't want guns I can't shoot or hard to find ammo

[sealocan]

Hello again harleyv,
the first revolver ( that is chambered in the hard to get .38 short caliber rimfire ammo) might be a nice ENTRY level pistol for a new collector ( if they were serious collectors with big money they would want a pristine/mint version for their collection) of old revolvers/ Remington history lovers / or a nice display piece in a wall-mounted or desk display box / etc.
I would like to hope that the person selling it could get more then the $50 or $100 store gift card at a police "gun buyback"' because that would be a shame to have that history melted down.

Due to the caliber I would personally take a pass if you want to be shooting it.


Now the other CZ, model Z pistol is a very close clone/copy of the famous Browning "baby Browning" and also is historic because the owner of the factory refused to cooperate with the Nazis so they took over his factory made over hundred thousand.
And then after that...

the Russians came in and took over his factory.

They are reported to be quality made pistols and that history is on the bottom of this page I will link to...

http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/2CZ25s/2cz25s.html

and don't worry about the old 6.35 millimeter caliber markings that's just the European way of saying it's .25 ACP which is very common and available across the US (although obviously not very powerful and a little bit pricey when compared to very common calibers like 9 mm.)

if the price is right I would buy the second one in a heartbeat. It is a better quality than the Spanish made baby Browning copies (and I've shot those with no problem.)

I hope that helps.


(If you decide the model Z is not for you, let me know .)

[harleyv]

What would be a decent price for the 2nd gun

[jazman]

I don't see a magazine in the second one...does it come with one? If not I would think it would be hard and expensive to find an original one for it.

[harleyv]

It comes with 1 mag, the slide seems smooth.

[sealocan]

Price is such a subjective thing but I'll try and give you a ballpark even though I'm not an expert on this particular item. ...

I did read that the ones made under the Nazis years go for a little bit more money to collectors interested in World War II items as these guns were supposedly "popular with Germans officers as backup guns".
I do see a small "58" mark on your gun... does that mean it was made in 1958? (I don't know).

To me, you by the gun, not the story and yours is not in mint condition.
I found just one of the same make & model, that was on GunBroker going for hundred $425 (* it seems to be in good condition) but it doesn't seem like it's starting any kind of bidding war at that price.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=CZ+model+Z

I mentioned before that they were baby Browning copies although more specifically's they are copies of Brownings earlier 25 ACP design that he sold to with FN to become the "FN model M1905"( it is sometimes also called the FN 1906) and for US production he sold his design to Colt, which became the "Colt 1908 vest pocket". (Technically the "baby Browning" was the model that followed shortly after these in a very similar .25 ACP pocket pistol, also designed by Browning.)
I bring this all up because I think these earlier Browning designed models are likely (but no guarantee) going to most matchup when you're searching for parts and magazines.
This comes into play when you're buying an older gun because gunsmiths don't want to work on these so it's up to you to keep them alive. ( I always figure that into the price.)

Lastly these are a imitation, supposedly a well-built imitation but the Colt vest pocket / FN pistol they were trying to copy are still relatively plentiful to find with better-known company names that will command better prices.

I would guesstimate that in here in California the originals, the Colt and the FN models, would go for $300-$400 in the condition your's is in.
($200 to $400 and the rest of the free US.).

So unless someone is a big fan collector of early CZ model Z pistols, your gun would be price less than that.

So my ballpark estimate for your particular CZ model Z (in working condition, at least when you get it), not having seen many of those for sale would be around $150 to $250.
(If it was in mint condition it would be more desirable to collectors and obviously worth more money.)

It is more money then they would get at a gun buyback, and its cash. It's also way more than almost any gun store would offer them.

And if you pay $150 it would put that extra change in your pocket to buy the available but somewhat pricey .25 ACP ammo.