Objective comparison : Wilson CQB vs Les Baer Premiere II

[Broham85]

Les Baer all the way (TRS and PII 1.5 owner). Save the money you would spend on the Wilson and buy ammo/reloading supplies and have fun. I can't speak for other's experience with Les's customer service, but mine was pleasant. I didn't have an issue with getting my slide re-blued.

[M1LAN0]

Objective comparison : Wilson CQB vs Les Baer Premiere II

They're both nice but I prefer the Wilson. My Les Baer is a tack driver but I hate that the fit is so tight that it still requires a bushing wrench after 3k+ rounds.

You're doing it the wrong way.

I never realized how many people only use the basic method of disassembling a 1911.

I never use the wrench since I don't like using one. Granted you can't move it without it on an LB.

However, the way I was taught by my instructor always stuck with me. I later also found out that the same method is also used by some Les Baer techs themselves.

You take off the slide stop.

Pull the slide forward as you gripping your hand around the front of the slide.

This is to hold the tension of the recoil spring, which will shoot out if you don't.

You should at this point have been able to pull out the whole slide while gripping your hand all the way around.

You can then point the slide down to a cloth and release or if you're comfortable in catching it by hand as you let the spring go.

Once that's done you can continue your normal breakdown.

No tool required period and I don't feel like I'm wearing the gun out.

If I could of afforded a WC I would of gotten one. But I am very happy with my LB and don't regret it at all. It's not a matter of if, just when I will get one.

Slowly building my collection.

[M1LAN0]

Les Baer all the way (TRS and PII 1.5 owner). Save the money you would spend on the Wilson and buy ammo/reloading supplies and have fun. I can't speak for other's experience with Les's customer service, but mine was pleasant. I didn't have an issue with getting my slide re-blued.

Nice gun! I always liked the TRS but not a fan of too much marking and logos on the slide, the main reason I went for the Custom Carry.

I'm thinking of getting my slide refinished. As it has markings from holster pulls and scratches from barely touching anything.

What was the turnaround time, thought the cost was around $200, is that still accurate?

Did they also re finish the black coating on the top of the slide?


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[koiloco]

Wilson is more $ but fit and finish far superior than Standard LB. if you are not into upgrading parts Wilson is best and their customer service is too notch.

+1.

That statement sums it up perfectly...

Both guns will be more accurate than you can shoot them. Pick the one you like.

[Sure Shot 45]

You won't be satisfied with only one, I suggest that you get both. The Wilson is more refined overall. The Baer feels better in hand, I like how he cuts the frame, front strap checkering, slide serrations, slide stop etc.

[3Gun]

For the money it's hard to beat Les Baer. Finish isn't as nice but in every other way equal to Wilson but a lot less. If money isn't a concern get the Wilson. If money is part of the process LB.

[ap3572001]

You won't be satisfied with only one, I suggest that you get both. The Wilson is more refined overall. The Baer feels better in hand, I like how he cuts the frame, front strap checkering, slide serrations, slide stop etc.

I own both....And thinking about selling the CQB and buying another Les Baer PII (.45 or 9mm) or Wilson with adjustable target sights.

Here is the deal. My CQB is a GREAT gun ...... as a carry/combat gun.

SUPER reliable with Federal HST ammo, feels great in my hands, has all the right options (night sights, speed chute etc), very nice all black finish and shoots one hole groups at 25 yards with DUTY ammo. Sights are perfectly regulated point of aim/point of impact with 230 JHP ammo.

My Les Baer is super accurate and has adjustable target sights which allows me to adjust the gun for particular load I am shooting . It also feels better in my hand when shooting one handed.

[Litespeeds]

Just change out your sights on your Wilson Combat to adjustable rear sights and keep both.

[ap3572001]

Just change out your sights on your Wilson Combat to adjustable rear sights and keep both.

Cant do it.

[Sure Shot 45]

So wait you own both but asked how they compare? Sounds like you should have all the answers...

[ap3572001]

So wait you own both but asked how they compare? Sounds like you should have all the answers...

Cant be objective . LB has much better sights. I shoot LB better. CQB is only worth keeping for me if I wanted to carry it. Next gun will be with adjustable target sights. Another LB or WC.

[BenHK]

To me, one is a work of art and the other is an extremely precise tool. If a 1.5" guarantee is important to you, get the Baer. If fit and finish is more important to you, get the Wilson. I understand they are both 1911's, but I feel like they fill entirely different roles.

That is not to say that the fit and finish on the Baer is terrible, or that the accuracy of a Wilson isn't good, but it's clear from each manufacturer where the focus is. I love that my Baer is insanely tight...other people thing it's downright stupid and no gun should be like that. Whatever floats your boat...

I will say if you were actually planning to carry one or use one for home defense, I'd probably take the Wilson...but there are better tools for that job (uh oh, someone is going to get upset ).

[teflondog]

You're doing it the wrong way.

I never realized how many people only use the basic method of disassembling a 1911.

I never use the wrench since I don't like using one. Granted you can't move it without it on an LB.

However, the way I was taught by my instructor always stuck with me. I later also found out that the same method is also used by some Les Baer techs themselves.

You take off the slide stop.

Pull the slide forward as you gripping your hand around the front of the slide.

This is to hold the tension of the recoil spring, which will shoot out if you don't.

You should at this point have been able to pull out the whole slide while gripping your hand all the way around.

You can then point the slide down to a cloth and release or if you're comfortable in catching it by hand as you let the spring go.

Once that's done you can continue your normal breakdown.

No tool required period and I don't feel like I'm wearing the gun out.

If I could of afforded a WC I would of gotten one. But I am very happy with my LB and don't regret it at all. It's not a matter of if, just when I will get one.

Slowly building my collection.

That's exactly how I field strip all my 1911s. But there's no way to fully rotate the bushing on my TRS without a wrench.

[AFTII]

I don't think you could go wrong with either one. I have a TRS with over 9000 rounds through it. Its still tight and I've never had an issue with it. It is an extremely soft shooter. It has never disappointed in the accuracy department either. I had a second chromed 1.5" TRS for a while, and I will say it was never as impressive as my original blued TRS. The chromed version had some feeding issues, was not as inherently accurate and not as soft shooting. This TRS was an anomaly for me, because I have two other LBC's, including a 1.5" P II, that have been outstanding shooters.

I don't have a CQB, but do have a WC Professional and a Tactical Elite. The Wilsons are very different. Dimensionally, they are more repeatable that the LBCs. There are little things, like the bottom of the maxwells of the LBCs are not all the same dimensions. So, if you want to add a magwell later, it will be less of a hassle with the WC.

Performance wise, I've had no issues with the WC pistols. Accuracy wise, they are about equal to the LBCs. The biggest thing to me is the finish. The bluing on my TRS is practically gone. Its cool in a way because it shows that it is not a safe queen, but I would prefer a more robust finish (and the Dupont coating offered by LBC isn't it. It's perhaps less durable than bluing).

While I do like the LBCs, if I were only buying one and price was not an issue, I'd go with the WC - for no other reason than the finish.

[M1LAN0]

That's exactly how I field strip all my 1911s. But there's no way to fully rotate the bushing on my TRS without a wrench.

Oh I see, then my mistake. Mine was tight and still is, but I just never came across one that was as tight as yours. I assumed after you take the recoil spring and guide out it became easy.




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