Question about timeline of roster

[925Ninersfan]

Hi all,
I'm hoping someone can help clarify a question I have regarding if/when all handguns will disappear off the roster. According to an article published on Guns.com on 1/6/16, it states:

"Under state law, new semi-automatic firearms sold in California must have the capability to permanently stamp shell casings fired through the gun with an identifying mark. In effect, creating a serialized shell casing that could be tracked back to the gun that fired it. However, this technology is not in a current production handgun."

Furthermore...

"Since January 2014, when the UHA roster contained 1,152 approved models, it has constricted to 741 in the past two years as. In 2008, the number of guns on the roster stood at over 1,400."

So my first question is this: If the microstamping mandate took effect 2013, and legacy handguns are certified for only 5 years, wouldn't that mean that at the very latest all handguns without this feature will be off roster by 2018? And if so, how is there not a wide-spread panic for folks to purchase new handguns in the next year before they're all gone? I can only assume I've interpreted this incorrectly...

Later in the article, it states:

"Calguns estimates that at the current rate the number of approved handguns will dwindle to practically zero within the next six years as those currently approved will fail to meet new requirements, leaving a state of some 38 million unable to purchase new semi-automatic handguns."

So it appears someone on this board applied the same logic as me, but came up with 2022 (6 years from the article date) as the estimated time all guns will be off roster. How was this conclusion made?

Here's the article:

http://www.guns.com/2016/01/06/californias-incredible-shrinking-handgun-roster-turns-16/

[Quiet]

Per CA laws/regulations...

If a handgun was placed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale before a specific requirement went into effect, it is exempt from it as long as it stays on the Roster of Handguns Certified For Sale. [PC 31910]



Penal Code 31910
As used in this part, “unsafe handgun” means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, for which any of the following is true:
(a) For a revolver:
(1) It does not have a safety device that, either automatically in the case of a double-action firing mechanism, or by manual operation in the case of a single-action firing mechanism, causes the hammer to retract to a point where the firing pin does not rest upon the primer of the cartridge.
(2) It does not meet the firing requirement for handguns.
(3) It does not meet the drop safety requirement for handguns.
(b) For a pistol:
(1) It does not have a positive manually operated safety device, as determined by standards relating to imported guns promulgated by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
(2) It does not meet the firing requirement for handguns.
(3) It does not meet the drop safety requirement for handguns.
(4) Commencing January 1, 2006, for a center fire semiautomatic pistol that is not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it does not have either a chamber load indicator, or a magazine disconnect mechanism.
(5) Commencing January 1, 2007, for all center fire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it does not have both a chamber load indicator and if it has a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism.
(6) Commencing January 1, 2006, for all rimfire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism, if it has a detachable magazine.
(7) (A) Commencing January 1, 2010, for all semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it is not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired, provided that the Department of Justice certifies that the technology used to create the imprint is available to more than one manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions.
(B) The Attorney General may also approve a method of equal or greater reliability and effectiveness in identifying the specific serial number of a firearm from spent cartridge casings discharged by that firearm than that which is set forth in this paragraph, to be thereafter required as otherwise set forth by this paragraph where the Attorney General certifies that this new method is also unencumbered by any patent restrictions. Approval by the Attorney General shall include notice of that fact via regulations adopted by the Attorney General for purposes of implementing that method for purposes of this paragraph.
(C) The microscopic array of characters required by this section shall not be considered the name of the maker, model, manufacturer’s number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice, within the meaning of Sections 23900 and 23920.

[925Ninersfan]

Per CA laws/regulations...

If a handgun was placed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale before a specific requirement went into effect, it is exempt from it as long as it stays on the Roster of Handguns Certified For Sale.

Oh... so what does the 5 year certification of legacy guns refer to?

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Oh... so what does the 5 year certification of legacy guns refer to?

[saudadeii]

Please post a reference to the 5 year limit from either the CA Penal Code or any CADOJ regulation.

Then go read:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1093648

[925Ninersfan]

Please post a reference to the 5 year limit from either the CA Penal Code or any CADOJ regulation.

Then go read:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1093648

I actually don't know where that "5 year limit" came from, other than the article I referenced, hence my question. So it sounds like the article is just misinformed?

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I actually don't know where that "5 year limit" came from, other than the article I referenced, hence my question. So it sounds like the article is just misinformed?

Yes.
Designed to generate fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the readers.

[925Ninersfan]

Yes.
Designed to generate fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the readers.

Ah, I see... that's horrible! Thanks for clarifying. At least now my fears of having no guns left on the roster is alleviated.

[SkyHawk]

Ah, I see... that's horrible! Thanks for clarifying. At least now my fears of having no guns left on the roster is alleviated.

But at the rate we're going, we'll only have double action revolvers on the roster and a few other oddities.

Because almost any change at all to a semi auto pistol, such as changing the location where they are made, or the type of machines they are made on, or the material of ancillary parts like a safety lever, will remove them from the roster. That is why semi auto handguns are falling off, never to be replaced.

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But at the rate we're going, we'll only have double action revolvers on the roster and a few other oddities.

Because almost any change at all to a semi auto pistol, such as changing the location where they are made, or the type of machines they are made on, or the material of ancillary parts like a safety lever, will remove them from the roster. That is why semi auto handguns are falling off, never to be replaced.

What he said.

Any type of changes to manufacturing, will cause it to be declared a "new" handgun that requires re-testing and needing all of the required features (MDM, CLI, MSA).

[925Ninersfan]

But at the rate we're going, we'll only have double action revolvers on the roster and a few other oddities.

Because almost any change at all to a semi auto pistol, such as changing the location where they are made, or the type of machines they are made on, or the material of ancillary parts like a safety lever, will remove them from the roster. That is why semi auto handguns are falling off, never to be replaced.

What he said.

Any type of changes to manufacturing, will cause it to be declared a "new" handgun that requires re-testing and needing all of the required features (MDM, CLI, MSA).

So then the rate at which the roster shrinks is really dependent on how often manufacturers make changes and/or choose whether or now to renew. In which case, nobody can really predict when most semi-autos will be gone, correct? We just know it's inevitable, but not when?

[HardwoodRods]

Correct but it's much more complicated. Company A makes a spring you use in your semi auto during manufacturing. They get bought out by company B. Even though nothing changes other than the name on the door of the building CA views that as a material change and decertifies.

[925Ninersfan]

Correct but it's much more complicated. Company A makes a spring you use in your semi auto during manufacturing. They get bought out by company B. Even though nothing changes other than the name on the door of the building CA views that as a material change and decertifies.

Wow, unbelievable.

So when Colt declared bankruptcy a couple years ago and I assume made sweeping changes across the board, is that somehow related to the mass dropoff of Colt handguns from the roster?

[SkyHawk]

Wow, unbelievable.

So when Colt declared bankruptcy a couple years ago and I assume made sweeping changes across the board, is that somehow related to the mass dropoff of Colt handguns from the roster?

Colt has changed their manufacturing process to CNC over the past year or two, and that is when the grandfathered Colt pistols became ineligible for the safe handgun roster.

Don't you feel safer?

[FalconLair]

Correct but it's much more complicated. Company A makes a spring you use in your semi auto during manufacturing. They get bought out by company B. Even though nothing changes other than the name on the door of the building CA views that as a material change and decertifies.

so, the roster not only affects the manufacturer, but, also any vendor who sells parts to them that are not manufactured in house

does that include even the very rawest of materials, like who they buy their raw metals from?