MP5 v53

[Franklincollector]

An older friend of mine has an MP5 and V53. He doesn't use the internet, have a cell phone, nothing. I was talking to him about the new laws, and now he's slightly worried. He has an MP5 and a V53. What does he need to do to be compliant? It's a shame he might have to slap 2 dollar Chinese crap on them to make him legal. They were both registered as pistols.

[Drew Eckhardt]

An older friend of mine has an MP5 and V53. He doesn't use the internet, have a cell phone, nothing. I was talking to him about the new laws, and now he's slightly worried. He has an MP5 and a V53. What does he need to do to be compliant? It's a shame he might have to slap 2 dollar Chinese crap on them to make him legal. They were both registered as pistols.

You have three options:

• Register them as assault weapons by December 31st, 2017 (only legal if they had bullet buttons before December 31st, 2016)
• Pin the muzzle device and remove the handguard.
• Fix the magazines so they cannot be removed without disassembling the action.

With PC 30515(a)(4)(D) "The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip." a feature there's no such thing as a "featureless" pistol.

The second option works because while the bullet button satisfies the amended PC 30515(a)(4) "does not have a fixed magazine" qualifying condition, the legislature did not change PC 30515(a)(4)(D) "detachable magazine at some location" and DOJ did not expand the "detachable magazine" definition in 11 CFR 5471(m) except with respect to AR15 bullet button magnets.

30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
...
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

For the third option Franklin Armory has a BB 2.0 fixed magazine device blocking release until you separate the grip frame and extract the key.



Another calgunner did the same thing as a DIY exercise.

[Franklincollector]

What a nightmare we are living in

[JTROKS]

Yes it's a nightmare. Back in the 90s I purchased a few semiauto rifles that were legal to own. Being active duty military and assigned overseas I wasn't able to keep up with the current laws. When I found out about the first AW ban I couldn't believe I was about to become a felon as I only had a week to get the paperwork done and sent in. I emailed CA DOJ and they replied with taking the guns out of state or surrender for destruction. How am I supposed to do that when I'm overseas and the guns are stateside in storage. I was worried if I got the paperwork sent in on time until a confirmation from CA DOJ was received. All that time I was thinking how stupid it is for me to send the registration late for if they refuse the paperwork they now know who, where and what I have.

[1919_4_ME]

He could either keep it and just register it as an AW or sell it out of state and buy something else. Other option is to pin/weld a fake can on it and turn it into a featureless rifle.

[drinkycrow]

Yes it's a nightmare. Back in the 90s I purchased a few semiauto rifles that were legal to own. Being active duty military and assigned overseas I wasn't able to keep up with the current laws. When I found out about the first AW ban I couldn't believe I was about to become a felon as I only had a week to get the paperwork done and sent in. I emailed CA DOJ and they replied with taking the guns out of state or surrender for destruction. How am I supposed to do that when I'm overseas and the guns are stateside in storage. I was worried if I got the paperwork sent in on time until a confirmation from CA DOJ was received. All that time I was thinking how stupid it is for me to send the registration late for if they refuse the paperwork they now know who, where and what I have.

Totally unfair. IMO if you're deployed overseas, you should have leeway in these situations to deal with them when you get home.....This is the respect our government gives our veterans....

[Franklincollector]

Complete BS. The sad thing is, you still wanted to do what was right, regardless of the crap law they were forcing down your throat. Man you were lazy for not getting that done on time, getting shot at or being in a war zone.

[Franklincollector]

So if he registers it as an aw he can leave it as is. They both have a bb.

[Drew Eckhardt]

He could either keep it and just register it as an AW or sell it out of state and buy something else. Other option is to pin/weld a fake can on it and turn it into a featureless rifle.

An astute reader will note that he can legally skip registration and keep the bullet button if he loses the handguards and pins the muzzle appliance in place.

30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
...
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

PC 30515(a)(4)(A) only forbids threaded barrels, not flash suppressors, although being paranoid would suggest using a thread protector or brake so DOJ can consider the barrel threaded but not capable of accepting a flash suppressor which is already mounted.

While the qualifying clause of PC 30515(a)(4) was expanded to include bullet buttons, PC 30515(a)(4)(D) did not change and DOJ did not expand its definition of "detachable magazine" in 11 CFR 5471(m) except with respect to AR15 bullet button magnets.