PPQ Bump Fire Advice

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Greetings all. I have a Walther PPQ 9mm Compact. I occasionally get a bump fire but cannot duplicate the problem at will. What started out as amusing quickly began to piss me off.
I have done some research and it seems others have the same issue with the PPQ (mod. 1 if it matters). I'm confused about the problem: is it my gun or is it my trigger finger?
After a 30 year hiatus following a one-year "fling" with target shooting, I have recently returned to the handgun scene. I dry fire practice on my S&W .357 revolver, and my pull is deliberate and slow. I haven't really "mastered" the feel of the light pull and short reset of the PPQ, and wonder if I need to be more deliberate in my trigger pull? Just need more practice? Or should I have a gunsmith check the sear?
Help! Thanks in advance.

[tnlrat37]

I have a PPQ Q5 and It's a light trigger with short reset, I could see how it could happen, I haven't had that issue though. Check on the Walther forum I believe ve some guys there have talked about it and given advice.

[AreWeFree]

That's very interesting, either you have a horrible grip, or your gun is badly malfunctioning.

Contact customer service for your gun immediately and let them help you.

['ol shooter]

This is is the way some pros show how to break the shot:
1. Take up trigger slack.
2. Trigger press and hold.
3. Slide cycles back, then forward.
4. When slide returns fully to battery, let off trigger to reset.
See if that helps you.

[utc]

Keep practicing.

[tbc]

Were you riding the trigger reset? If yes, stop.

[IVC]

Chances are it's your trigger finger as it would be highly unlikely and a very serious design flaw if it happened by itself.

On the other hand, most design flaws are discovered precisely the way it's happening to you - there is a problem and you're not alone, so someone does the research to find out...

[jimmythebrain]

Walther ppq pistols do not have a definite trigger break "stop" feel to them.
So anyone used to staging the trigger runs the risk of getting unexpected immediate follow shots.
I have P99 AS pistols that have take up, then a point of definite resistance right before the trigger breaks. I bought a PPQ and experienced the problem of an immediate discharge after an intentional shot because I had developed the habit of just releasing the trigger just enough to get the rest position, then reapplying trigger pressure while aligning sights for my next shot. That would put the trigger just about to break when everything lined up again. Works great in my 1911's and mi Sig P series pistols...and even works well in me P99s...did not work well in my PPQ because this caused accidental discharges from my poor trigger technique
I sold the PPQ for this sole reason.
Now I am working overcoming this bad habit.
No trigger pressure until sights are lined up.
Great for safety, terrible for speed.

[Zyrtec]

You have a fantastic pistol. Short reset and light pull. Practice with trigger reset. Love my ppq m2. I own 3 ppq m2s' Nothing is wrong with your ppq. No need to see a gunsmith.

[cwilliams]

Walther ppq pistols do not have a definite trigger break "stop" feel to them.
So anyone used to staging the trigger runs the risk of getting unexpected immediate follow shots.
I have P99 AS pistols that have take up, then a point of definite resistance right before the trigger breaks. I bought a PPQ and experienced the problem of an immediate discharge after an intentional shot because I had developed the habit of just releasing the trigger just enough to get the rest position, then reapplying trigger pressure while aligning sights for my next shot. That would put the trigger just about to break when everything lined up again. Works great in my 1911's and mi Sig P series pistols...and even works well in me P99s...did not work well in my PPQ because this caused accidental discharges from my poor trigger technique
I sold the PPQ for this sole reason.
Now I am working overcoming this bad habit.
No trigger pressure until sights are lined up.
Great for safety, terrible for speed.

Exactly this.

If you compare the trigger to say a standard Glock setup, it's nothing like it because the striker is 100% cocked. There's a take-up that has equal pressure through the entire travel and then a wall before the break. It's clean and very smooth, but different than most striker guns.

Nearly every person that shot my PPQ inadvertently double tapped it at some point. It's a very fast trigger when you need it, but one that can be a little more tricky to master. I no longer have it and I've switched over to hammer fired single action guns with my main 9mm being a CZ 75B SA with an upgraded trigger that is set to nearly zero pre and over travel. The gun is ready to go again as soon as I release the pressure from my finger for it to reset, and the pull and trigger travel is the exact same each and every time.

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I have been practicing a more deliberate trigger pull without pulling or pushing the gun off target. So far so good. In 100 rounds, I had one bump fire for only two shots.
If I pull back too slowly, I will sometimes get a bump fire for 3-5 rounds. I think at the point of firing, the recoil causes a reset and fire again (and again) very quickly. A more deliberate pull all the way back seems to eliminate or minimize this.
Thanks to all for the advice. Maybe now it will climb my list and become my favorite!

[AreWeFree]

I have been practicing a more deliberate trigger pull without pulling or pushing the gun off target. So far so good. In 100 rounds, I had one bump fire for only two shots.
If I pull back too slowly, I will sometimes get a bump fire for 3-5 rounds. I think at the point of firing, the recoil causes a reset and fire again (and again) very quickly. A more deliberate pull all the way back seems to eliminate or minimize this.
Thanks to all for the advice. Maybe now it will climb my list and become my favorite!

You either have a magic bump firing technique or seriously poor grip. I sincerely hope you don't have an accident.

[cwilliams]

You either have a magic bump firing technique or seriously poor grip. I sincerely hope you don't have an accident.

Have you ever shot a PPQ?

Like I said in my post above, almost everyone who had shot mine for the first time inadvertently bump fired a second shot at least once before they figured out the trigger. The reset is super short at 1/10" and it can surprise you. It's just not the same kind of take up, break, and reset as other striker guns. There's nothing wrong with it, but it is tricky.

To the OP - You might try switching out your backstrap to one of the others provided and see if that helps the angle of your finger on the trigger.

[AreWeFree]

Have you ever shot a PPQ?

Like I said in my post above, almost everyone who had shot mine for the first time inadvertently bump fired a second shot at least once before they figured out the trigger. The reset is super short at 1/10" and it can surprise you. It's just not the same kind of take up, break, and reset as other striker guns. There's nothing wrong with it, but it is tricky.

To the OP - You might try switching out your backstrap to one of the others provided and see if that helps the angle of your finger on the trigger.

I don't ***** foot my trigger, either I'm pulling it or not. Also I grip the damn gun, it's not recoiling in my hands in a way which my finger is coming off the trigger and pulling again.
I doubt the PPQ trigger is any more sensitive than my 3lb 1911 (with virtually no reset).

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OP - You might try switching out your backstrap to one of the others provided and see if that helps the angle of your finger on the trigger.

Had not thought of that. It came with the medium grip attached, and felt just right. I doubt the larger one will fit my hand comfortably, but I'll try the smaller one. I have a preference for smaller grips, even as large grips fit my hand.