Vector UZI Pistol

[tonelar]

Hi everyone,
I tried searching and couldn't find what I'm asking:

Are the Vector UZI Pistols (full size- or mini pistols) named in the CA AW Laws? I think they weren't even a player when Roberti-Roos was drawn up, but checked anyway.

Specifically, an out of state parent might be talked into gifting me one, and I don't see it in voilation of even the "by feature" section on pistols.

Roberti Roos lists the Action Arms IMI Uzi Pistol- but back then this was it:


The Vector pistols I'm talking about are these:

Only a handful of the minis are built on IMI receivers... the rest are GI or GI's cut down in overall length.

[ke6guj]

The Vector UZIs are actually built on Group Industries recievers, which are off-list. so, you just need to comply with the Pistol AW regs, and the Roster. So, that means getting a single-shot pistol to comply with the Roster and maybe 10-round fixed mag so that the "barrel shroud" evil feature does not trigger AW status.


oops, missed the intrafamily out-of-state transfer to bypass the ROster. SO, I think you only have to deall with the Pistol AW regs, and I think that the forward plastic grip may be an evil feature.

[tonelar]

If the fwd plastic grip were Vertical or covering the Barrel, right? I don't see mention of it in the AW.

However... some of the Vectors come from old IMI receivers, so I better make sure there's no mention of IMI or would it matter with Vector as the mfg?

[strangerdude]

Good luck finding one, vector is out the bizz.

[ke6guj]

If the fwd plastic grip were Vertical or covering the Barrel, right? I don't see mention of it in the AW.

I'm not sure, thats why I said tthat it might be an evil feature.

(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

I thought I had recalled tht somewhere that plastic was considered a barrel shroud, but that might have been the federal AW ban. Just look into it make sure its ok.

However... some of the Vectors come from old IMI receivers, so I better make sure there's no mention of IMI or would it matter with Vector as the mfg?

wasn't aware that Vector made some off old IMI receivers. Maybe as a rebuild, instead of a complete weld up like on the GI receivers. IIRC, Vector had to mark their manufacturing info on the GI recievers, even though that GI had already manufactured them. SO, if the same rule applied to the IMI receivers, the original UZI markings may still be threre. And that may trigger AW status as a listed receiver. I'd also make sure that Vector did not add UZI to the GI receivers that they built up and left the original model number.

[tonelar]

I should have 'im send me pics... so I should be careful just regarding the roll marks.

Also, Jack- You are Right on the Money-
I think the AW features list says "second grip" not vertical- so they might have to go, if this is to come into CA.

My only Uzi pistol will have to just be lonesome for now.

(Mini Pistol Image courtesy of shadeone on UziTalk)
So, to get around the 2nd grip I either remove the grip/ or go the fixed mag route?

[ke6guj]

Here is the code:

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

So, yah, you need to make sure that the plastic grip/shroud doesn't violate (B) or (C).

[tonelar]

Caiman; I posted the pic of the first one 'cause it's the Uzi Pistol that Robeti Roos uses in their "listed by name" page.

Since I already have it- I'm more into the idea of a full size or mini...



Jack; Tanx for the code. My thoughts were to remove that fwd grip section since It'd be great to run some of my older 25 and 32 rounders through it... however a fixed 10 round mag might be more in order, I guess.

Calgunners pwn!

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

In the above code, (B) fails in it describes a "second handgrip". The forearm on the Uzi is not a second handgrip. By forbidding a "second" one, the authors of the code infer that it will be the same configuration as the first. As the first handgrip is a pistol grip; the only true "second handgrip" would have to be a pistol grip as well.

Which leaves the task of proving that the foregrip is not a barrel shroud (C). Not too hard, if you look at the way the receiver of the Uzi supports the barrel trunion which in turn supports the barrel inside of the receiver.

[NeoWeird]

Seeing as how the plastic foregrip does NOT touch or wrap around the barrel, but instead goes around the receiver, I see no reason why it would be considered a barrel shroud. A barrel shroud, according to the law (forget if it's CA or federal law), is something that wraps around a barrel to prevent the firers hands from being burned after extended periods of firing. Since the plastic on an uzi does NOT protect you in that way, and is only there as a support, I see no reason why anyone would think it's a barrel shroud.

Also, if you look, the barrel nut resides forward of the plastic forearm, which is the attachment point of the barrel. The grip is clearly behind the barrel.

[tonelar]

Neo,
Well said!

Two weeks to go...

[tonelar]

Some feel the IMI receiver raises the "named" issues with the RR AW Ban.

Itll hinge on whether a handguard or forearm is a second handgrip or not.

I dont have pics of the one Im getting. However it has the GI rollmark.

If the TP9 works as a non AW pistol (if you look above the fwd rail) there's an area to grip it with your off hand. It skirts the Pistol AW category as long as people dont attach a vertical fore grip.

Just saying.

[vandal]

BTT as I am suddenly interested in the definition of "(B) A second handgrip. "

What is a handgrip? Something designed for your hand to grip. Vertical or horizontal, why would it matter?

Hoping I'm wrong.

[Calguns2000]

BTT as I am suddenly interested in the definition of "(B) A second handgrip. "

What is a handgrip? Something designed for your hand to grip. Vertical or horizontal, why would it matter?

Hoping I'm wrong.

You are not wrong

[tonelar]

Okay, then how are these legal? They're sold here in CA.

So for now, mine look like this...

I can alwaze lock ten rounders into place (and re-attach the handguards) I guess.

Or go with rails...