GLASER SAFETY SlUGS

[qswdef]

This is a RECOIL question only. 4-5 inch barrel. Don't want to hear why you hate 'em or why you'd only use hp's. My circumstances suggest this would be a good approach to HD. I'd like to hear from someone who uses or has used tem in regards to recoil vs other corresponding calibers. For example, comparing a good example of a high performance 9mm with the 9mm glaser. blue or silvr.
Thanks

[laurelpark]

I've used them, and they shoot about the same as any 115gr 9mm. Not totally sure if they're the best thing in the world or not, but they do have some advantages over regular hollow points in some situations. For example, in situations where you don't want a lot of over penetration or ricochet, they're a good solution. I believe our Air Marshals still use them in passenger jets for that very reason. Really expensive, though - for HD, I'm happy with other high end ammo like Golden Saber or similar.

[Carcassonne]

I have tried them in 357mag, 9mm, 380ACP, 45ACP, and 308Win. They were all shot out of a full size gun (1911, Glock 17, 6" S&W 686, Walther PP, and an HK91 for the 308.

Recoil was close enough to standard ball to not notice a difference. Accuracy was about the same as any ball ammo.

Glaser Safety Slugs are expensive. I only shot a few to get a basic idea of where they would hit relative to where the sights were aimed.


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[Che762x39]

This is a RECOIL question only. 4-5 inch barrel ...

I had them for a 44 Magnum and 38 Special. The 44 was a 4" and the 38s were a 2" and 4". The 44 Mag felt like a 44 Special. The 38 was similar to standard loadings.

The only Glaser Safety Slug shooting I personally know of was with a 380 ACP and it was a one shot kill of a robber by a liquor store owner.

[NIB]

No they don't. They carry .357 JHP ammo. Federal Flight Deck Officers carry .40 S&W JHP. The fact that these people don't use Glaser could be called a clue.

Air Marshalls used them back in the 70s and early 80s. I've seen pictures of what a 9mm Glaser did to one bad guy. It was pretty nasty but due to the fact that they cost so much I would stick to JHP. From what I heard they stopped using them because it was to expensive to train with for one.

[dozer wright]

It doesn't matter what the bullet damage looks like to the exterior of the body, it's what the bullet does on the interior of the body. 'Cause, you know, that's where the vital organs and stuff are. And little pellets don't do so good with going deep into the body.



Or it could be because bullet design has improved over the intervening 40 years.

Federal HST 45 Auto is $1.25 per round from MidwayUSA. Glaser 45 Auto is $1.60 per round. You can imagine that the 35 cent difference per round shrinks when you buy 1.6 billion rounds, versus a box of 20.

It's the Government if one person thought that 35 cents a round times 1.6 Billion .Or said person got a kick back . It would be worth it . I have shot some Glaser saftey in 40 Sw seemed to work well against a pumpkin .

[stormvet]

Sorry can't answer your question, I've only shot them out of a H&K 94 of course almost zero recoil out of that weapon system.

After a couple on point answers, now the rest of the thread is gonna be about the specific things you don't care about. Buy a couple boxes and find out, you know the old saying. If you want something done right...

[DaveInOroValley]

I use them for HD in my .357. If people think they don't damage tissue they may want to do a bit of research to look at the results themselves.

[dozer wright]

Just go totally the other direction and get Underwood extreme penetrator .

[Carcassonne]

... It completely fragments on impact and only penetrates 4.7" (12 cm). When asked to comment on the potential survival time with a shot to the mid-abdomen by the Glaser, the surgeon heading the U. S. Army Wound Ballistic Laboratory commented that the patient would, "survive about three days and the cause of death would be peritonitis.". Not exactly the rapid physiological incapacitation necessary for law enforcement lethal force confrontations.[/I]

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And 4.7" in the head won't stop them. Their cerebral cortex is 5" deep.


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[Beelzy]

They blow up too quick, and may not penetrate heavy clothing enough to stop a bad guy.