microstamping

[Mail Clerk]

Hello to all,

Do I gather starting January next year 2017 all pistols/revolvers must be micro stamped before it it can be sold in California??

I've been so caught up in the AW issue that I've forgotten about pistols and revolvers.

What's the poop on this??


Thanks,

Mail Clerk

[Garv]

New handguns would require micro-stamping.
Have not heard that older models such as those currently on the roster would require it.
If that is true we would have riots here in CG.

[Kowan]

No. Look at the handgun roster to see what the elitist allow us to purchase.

[Aces and 8s]

New handguns would require micro-stamping.

Which is the reason why a lot of guns are falling off the roster. Manufactures are refusing to implement this useless "technology" in their firearms and are refusing to renew their firearms on the CA approved roster.

Micro-Stamping is yet another useless provision. One could easily file the breach/striker/firing pin so the micro stamp is no longer there or change the parts all together.

Other reason include:

* Unscrupulous individuals could collect discarded brass from a firing range and salt crime scenes with microstamped cases, thereby providing false evidence against innocent people and increasing the workload for investigators.

* Firing a large number of rounds will wear down the microstamp.

* Microstamping is an immature, sole source technology, and has not been subjected to sufficient independent testing.
Transfer of microstamped marks to the cases is less reliable than proponents claim.

* High costs for testing the efficacy of the technique must be passed on to customers, increasing the cost of firearms for those who obtain them legally.

* Guns manufactured before an effective date are exempt and the bill does not extend to guns outside of California.
There's no possibility that this bill would ever cover enough guns to provide the investigative advantage claimed for it by the proponents.

* Firearms sold to law-enforcement are exempt. Problems could arise if a police officer's firearm is used in a crime or stolen, and the fact that a firearm is "unsafe" if not provided with stamping technology exposes the police to liability.

* Most firearms used in crime are stolen or purchased in the secondary market.

In other words, this law is dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

[Mail Clerk]

No. Look at the handgun roster to see what the elitist allow us to purchase.

Kowan,

Where do I get a look see at the roster??


Mail Clerk

[onelonehorseman]

Hello to all,

Do I gather starting January next year 2017 all pistols/revolvers must be micro stamped before it it can be sold in California??

I've been so caught up in the AW issue that I've forgotten about pistols and revolvers.

What's the poop on this??


Thanks,

Mail Clerk

Where did you hear this? No new semi-auto pistols can be added to the roster unless they incorporate micro-stamping technology, but this doesn't affect those already approved on the roster.

[onelonehorseman]

Kowan,

Where do I get a look see at the roster??


Mail Clerk

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

[Kowan]

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov

[Winchester47]

Kowan,

Where do I get a look see at the roster??


Mail Clerk

follow this link

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

[MosinVirus]

As far as I know the technology doesn't exist.

Even if it did, have you ever seen a gun look pristine after it was fired? Forget filing those "micro"-stamping devices. They will stop stamping anything other than a blob in a few rounds. Or they will turn into blob stamps due to peening.

Dumbest idea ever.

Plus, roster is "supposedly" a list of "safe" guns. Because all other guns are referred to as "unsafe". Apparently microstamping is a safety feature. We are all just stupid enough to not see how adding markings to casings makes handguns (specifically) safer.

This new requirement or criteria is what will prevent any new handgun model (or old handgun model if the manufacturer fails to renew their current yearly certificstion) from being sold in CA. Otherwise known as a ban.

[P5Ret]

Revolver's are exempt from the mico-stamping nonsense. Which is a good thing for those of us who still like wheel guns.

[stix213]

The purpose of microstamping is to prevent to handguns from being added to the roster at all. Successful implementation and adoption of this technology would be a failure of the law, seeing as new handguns would be added to the roster again.

I think our best chance to defeat this is to empty the roster so we can make the claim it is nothing but a complete handgun ban.

[titan2]

Which is the reason why a lot of guns are falling off the roster. Manufactures are refusing to implement this useless "technology" in their firearms and are refusing to renew their firearms on the CA approved roster.

Micro-Stamping is yet another useless provision. One could easily file the breach/striker/firing pin so the micro stamp is no longer there or change the parts all together.

Other reason include:

* Unscrupulous individuals could collect discarded brass from a firing range and salt crime scenes with microstamped cases, thereby providing false evidence against innocent people and increasing the workload for investigators.

* Firing a large number of rounds will wear down the microstamp.

* Microstamping is an immature, sole source technology, and has not been subjected to sufficient independent testing.
Transfer of microstamped marks to the cases is less reliable than proponents claim.

* High costs for testing the efficacy of the technique must be passed on to customers, increasing the cost of firearms for those who obtain them legally.

* Guns manufactured before an effective date are exempt and the bill does not extend to guns outside of California.
There's no possibility that this bill would ever cover enough guns to provide the investigative advantage claimed for it by the proponents.

* Firearms sold to law-enforcement are exempt. Problems could arise if a police officer's firearm is used in a crime or stolen, and the fact that a firearm is "unsafe" if not provided with stamping technology exposes the police to liability.

* Most firearms used in crime are stolen or purchased in the secondary market.

In other words, this law is dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

[ojisan]

Which is the reason why a lot of guns are falling off the roster. Manufactures are refusing to implement this useless "technology" in their firearms and are refusing to renew their firearms on the CA approved roster.
Note that the manufacturers have tried but there is no way to do this.
They are not "refusing" to do this, they just plain can not do it.
It's unicorn-based technology.

Micro-Stamping is yet another useless provision. One could easily file the breach/striker/firing pin so the micro stamp is no longer there or change the parts all together.
CA law requires that the CASE be marked in two places.
Firing pin marks on the primer or breechface markings on the case head won't work.
What is needed is two hammers in the chamber that will stamp the case when fired....not going to happen.
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Just to clarify a bit.

[Librarian]

FAQ. Asked and answered.

See also the sticky here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1093648