Worst gun deals you've made?

[stillbigmac]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ivanimal:
Hey Ted the new mags worked great no hiccups in 150 rounds including Americn Eagle, the same box that did not cycle before. Maybe its fixed or something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

awww pooo now I won't be able to talk you out of it for my wife..

[ivanimal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> awww pooo now I won't be able to talk you out of it for my wife.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you kidding ...make an offer dude, ill be in to pick up my 9mm today anyhow!

[Bling Bling]

In late 1999 I was trying to buy up as many AW's as I could (very hard for a college student that doesn't work). I was all fired up about the PM-11/9 and bought one over the special weapons SW-9. I've had NOTHING but problems with my cobray M-11. Got most of the problems fixed, but dang, what a POS. Should thrown the SW-9 on a credit card and not bothered with the M-11.

Had a LOT of problems with my bushmaster when I first got it too. Got them all fixed now.

[bwiese]

BlingBling...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Had a LOT of problems with my bushmaster when I first got it too. Got them all fixed now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good. But curious, what were the problems?

90+% of AR15 problems with Bushy/Colt/Armalite guns that have chrome-lined barrels are due to lack of proper lubrication. A smaller fraction are due to dirty guns - usu ARs that have been shot extensively and put away for a couple of months without cleaning.

[YMMV with other gun brands and w/barrels & chambers that aren't chrome-lined.]

That AR bolt and bolt carrier should be wet with CLP (BreakFree), and the locking lugs in the bolt and corresponding barrel extension should be well-lubed too. (Keep excess lube out of the barrel and/or swab/patch it down after lubing.)

Use the special chamber brush that comes with ARs to clean the chamber and recess behind the bbl extension's lugs.

M16s and quality ARs can go for 1000's of rounds in an afternoon of shooting without cleaning. But if you put it away for a month or two w/o a good cleaning (not recommended, but people do), then scrub it out before going to the range.


Bill Wiese
San Jose

[50 Freak]

Bling Bling, What a DUMAS.

Why don't you just sell your Cobray PM-11. Many guys on this board are looking to buy one. And use the money to buy something decent? Like a Lorcin or a Hesse????

[Bling Bling]

I had problems with my bushmaster from the very first times firing it (and I made sure it was well lubed). The problem turned out to be the buffer spring was too stiff, not allowing the bolt to fully recoil. Replaced the buffer spring and haven't had any problems.

I thought 50 freak was going to Raz me on cleaning. My AR is usually filthy. My first firearm was a MAK 90 and that got me into the habit of never cleaning my rifles (the dirtier my MAK 90, the more accurate it got, which is still pretty bad, but WORKS).

[Turbinator]

Hey Bling, how much would you sell your PM11 for??

Turby

[bwiese]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bling Bling:
I had problems with my Bushmaster from the very first times firing it (and I made sure it was well lubed). The problem turned out to be the buffer spring was too stiff, not allowing the bolt to fully recoil. Replaced the buffer spring and haven't had any problems.

I thought 50Freak was going to Raz me on cleaning. My AR is usually filthy. My first firearm was a MAK 90 and that got me into the habit of never cleaning my rifles (the dirtier my MAK 90, the more accurate it got, which is still pretty bad, but WORKS). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, you had a (rare) problem - some of these issues happened even to the big vendors during the great 1998-99 'rush'.

[Sometimes though people think the guns they got were true Bushmasters when they were really 'parts guns' thrown together by the gunshop and just had Bushy lowers.]

ARs work fine even when dirty as long as it's "fresh dirty" from a day's worth of firing, and hasn't been sitting in the safe uncleaned for months...

Bill W
San Jose

[Ted_Bell]

I've had bushmaster lower with j&t upper since the late 90's, and I don't know if I have ever really cleaned it. Maybe have shot a 1000 rounds (mostly wolf ammo) in that time, and it keeps chugging along. Probably a good idea to strip it down and clean it.

[Bling Bling]

Hi Turbinator, actually I registered my M-11 as an AW so it's not transferrable, but even if it were, I would probably keep it now that I've got it working again. 50 Freak is always trying to get me to dump it cause for awhile it was a move effective weapon when thrown than when attempting to fire it.

Hmm interesting about Bushmasters. Mine was the limited edition Y2K Bushmaster so I thought I was getting something cool. It works now and I'm happy with it (besides the fact that it's impossible to remove the standard buttstock, in favor of a collapsable).

[bwiese]

Ted...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ted_Bell wrote:
I've had Bushmaster lower with J&T upper since the late 90's, and I don't know if I have ever really cleaned it. Maybe have shot a 1000 rounds (mostly wolf ammo) in that time, and it keeps chugging along. Probably a good idea to strip it down and clean it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of the smaller 'brands' of ARs, J&T seems to generally have pretty good stuff. Although their bbls are not chrome-lined, they do have 'non-match' chambers which will tolerate a wide variety of milsurp ammo w/o failure to feed or extract, etc.

Wiping some of the crap out of the lower and using a fair amount of BreakFree CLP is about all that's needed in that area. Maybe occ. Q-Tip cleaning - but watch that fibers from Q-Tip don't roll off and get caught in lower: that could bind springs or at best just trap more crap.

The key area for cleaning/lube on an AR is the upper. This can be done pretty fast and guarantees an always-serviceable gun w/just a few minutes work before putting it away. Use CLP/BreakFree for cleaner/lube. After taking upper off/apart: <UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> clean barrel & chamber w/patches or boresnake;
<LI> wipe down inside of upper receiver w/CLP, clean charging handle & lube w/CLP;
<LI> clean chamber & lugs in bbl extension/ special 2-tier AR chamber brush;
<LI> lube these lugs, esp at rear, w/ CLP;
<LI> take cotter pin out of bolt, remove firing pin
<LI> remove bolt cam pin, separate bolt from carrier
<LI> wipe off bolt carrier, clean/lube bolt hole;
<LI> clean firing pin
<LI> wipe down bolt, maybe use toothbrush cleaning
<LI> clean bolt face and ensure extractor & ejector well-lubed.
<LI> bolt core and lugs should be 'wet' w/CLP;
<LI> bolt carrier bolt hole should be wet with CLP; outside of bolt carrier should be well-lubed w/CLP too
<LI> reassemble bolt+carrier assy & then upper![/list]

A lackadaisical job can be done in 2 minutes, a pretty good job in 5.

If you are really really careful (toxic and sometimes flammable depending on composition) you can use brake cleaner to hose out AR innards if really dirty. However, this completely strips ALL lube off so you really gotta re-lube the gun again w/CLP _from scratch_.

Also, keep this solvent away from the plastic/rubber bumper in the bolt assembly and also from the plastic stock, handguards, etc. Not a good idea to get Brake Cleaner on scopes, either - can rot out seals.

This is essentially what Outer's, etc. aerosol 'Powder Blast' is.


Bill Wiese
San Jose

[Turbinator]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bling Bling:
Hi Turbinator, actually I registered my M-11 as an AW so it's not transferrable, but even if it were, I would probably keep it now that I've got it working again. 50 Freak is always trying to get me to dump it cause for awhile it was a move effective weapon when thrown than when attempting to fire it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you own a PM11, I don't think it's even registerable as an AW, is it? The PM11 doesn't have any features that qualify it as an AW. If you own a Cobray M11, then it's got a threaded barrel and should be reg'ed as an AW.

Turby

[Bling Bling]

Turbinator, I did not get the pistol, I got the carbine. I didn't have a good understanding of the laws in 2000 when I registered it. I guess since the magazine is part of the pistol grip it isn't necissarily an AW. Didn't want to take the chance. I guess it's cool cause now that it is an AW I can put a folder or collapsable on it (wish I would have done that with my mini 30!).

[Turbinator]

AHH hah..

Actualy I do think you have to reg the carbine as an AW. It's a rifle, with a pistol grip, that takes detachable magazines.

You did the "right thing" to reg it, in as much as we all are opposed to gun registration.

If you do put a collapsible stock make sure you don't make the rifle shorter than the federal legal minimum.. which I forget what it is, but I'm sure some knowledgeable folks on here can set us straight.

Turby

[HEWA195@CS.COM]

Still regretting not making a few purchases. Stainless ,green Wal Mart 10-22 international,3-9 Redfield,Ruger nylon sling 3 months old. Guy needed money so he was selling it for $150,had the reciept for $250. MINT MINT original Sharps Borchardt military musket ,looked almost new $3000. Hesitated and it got sold at a Tulsa show to a Belgian collector. Nicest one Mitch had ever seen in all of his years of selling guns. Hesitated again on a WW1 Springfield 1911 that had been parkerized for WW2. All correct and MINT. $675-called the next morning and it was sold . I have over paid on some ,but the prices will catch up. "You never pay too much for a gun. You just bought it too soon."