Customized legality question

[X-caliber]

Just wanted to know if anyone could help me out with this....I looked at the CA DOJ list of guns, but wasn't sure if the mods done to this gun make it not CA legal. Would one be able to obtain this gun with the mods already done in CA...Would you be allowed to receive/ purchase this gun as is?? Would an FFL in California deal with this weapon?

any help would be appreciated. Thanks

http://www.robarguns.com/xd.htm

http://www.americanhandgunner.com/CGOM1108.html

[dfens]

No that gun as is, would not be Ca legal if you wanted to buy it new off the shelf at your local FFL or have it shipped in from out of state.

But their is 2 ways to legally purchase one. The first is if someone in CA already owns one they can sale it to you in a PPT and it would be exempt from the list. Going this route is highly unlikely since not too many people would already have one of those.

The second and your best route. Is buy a regular XD tactical in either finish you like, I would just get the all black one. Then send it to robar for all those mods to make your very own. And it's perfectly legal. Once you own the gun you can do just about anything you want to it. Except add a threaded barrel, alter or remove the serial numbers, add high capacity mags if you didn't already own them before the 2000 ban etc. Stuff like that. All those mods are legal after you register the gun.

So other than the wait time to get all the work done, and the cost of the gun about 600 dollars plus, and what ever the mods are going to cost which by the 1500 value on one probably another grand.

The question you should be asking am I willing to pay all that and wait potentially a few months to get one.

[X-caliber]

Thank you very much for the reply...that is sort of what I was thinking, but just thought I would ask to get a general consensus...

If anyone else has a different opinion, or anything to add, please feel free to do so... thanks again!

[Tony.]

the ad says that the work is done on the pistol that you supply. Buy the pistol here, then send it to Robar.

[X-caliber]

the ad says that the work is done on the pistol that you supply. Buy the pistol here, then send it to Robar.

Yeah but im interested in if someone was to win the gun from the American Handgunner contest (who lived in california) would they legal be able to receive it as is.

[dfens]

If you win it or say someone in CA then no you can't take delivery. It probably states all state and federal laws apply so that someone might win but can't claim their prize.

Now you could find a not so knowledgeable FFL that doesn't know every variant of every handgun and claim it's a regular Bi-tone XD tactical and DROS it under the model on the list and maybe get away with it.

When I worked at a shop if you showed me pics before hand or when it arrived I would definitely refuse to transfer it. But if you win, and try this then do it at your own risk.

[X-caliber]

What exactly makes the gun illegal in CA?

[dfens]

To get on the list to sale a specific handgun you must submit the said model as it is, finish color, caliber, barrel length, & frame material etc. Now if you didn't submit one before 2007 then it also has to have a chambered round indicator and a mag discount.

The gun you want is a custom job it has a altered grip and finish. A regular XD tactical is already on the list the plain jane model. You can buy it from any FFL, it's on the list because it went through the testing/extortion required by the DOJ.

Since the robar XD does not match all the specs of the regular XD tac originally submited it can't be sold to regular civilains unless you meet some of the legal loop holes.

As for the specifics why it's illegal:

# Complete grip re-texture
# High grip modification
# Fabricate beavertail
# NP3 Metal Finish slide, barrel & all internal parts
And possibly # Engrave Robar Logo on slide

The trigger work they would never really know.

But as I said before once you buy a regular XD you can alter as you see fit. Want a pink finish slide. Legal. Want custom engraving. Legal. Want a trigger job. Legal. Get it.

[X-caliber]

Thanks a lot for your help dfens!

[Timberland]

Its an aftermarket custom job. The list applys to the base model. It is still a XD on the approved list, it just had work done, that gun even still meets the list's description, steel upper finish polymer lower. You guys are parinoid or need a better FFL

[dfens]

Did you even read all the posts. If it isn't the same as the base model it can't be transferd, the doj list won't allow it under normal conditions.

Take the Sig Elite series it has a stainless steel frame and a beaver tail.The regular ST model has a stainless steel frame and no beaver tail and it's on the list. That small difference is why it can't be on the list even though it should fall onto similar design of a model already submitted.

Or say a all pink Glock 19. I saw one a guy altered for his wife even the frame is pink. Now say you wanted to buy it which is out of state. Your FFL receiving it either already knows or looks it up and in that color frame and or slide is not on the list. Only Glock 19 on the list has a black finish slide and or black/olive drab colored frame. Now even though it's still a Glock 19 other than the color, it still can't be transfered. If you buy the normal base Glock 19 and send it to have it done in Pink then it's perfectly legal.

I also doubled checked it and I don't see if the XD-tactial in 45acp, Bi-tone on the list. Their model numbers are confusing when trying to figure which is ok and what's not. But say it isn't on the list except a all black, or black and green frame. How is he going to get it if the robar finish is a stainless color two-tone slide with a black frame? He can't.

If a FFL does accept it then they're breaking the law. A stupid law but who wants a knock on their door from the DOJ or the police.

As I said before if you can convince or find a FFL that's not as knowledgeable you might be able to fudge it through.

Once I wanted to buy a old Pre-B CZ-75 it's not on the list. The CZ-75B is. Now the dealer who was going to sale it to me was willing to lie and say it was a CZ-75B as long as my receiving FFL didn't know or didn't care.

The only difference between the two is the Pre-B has a spurred hammer, rounded trigger guard, slightly different grips, no firing pin block, and no B roll marked after CZ-75 on the slide. The pin block you would never know, the grips aren't a issue. But the no B on the slide and the hammer and trigger guard are a dead give away to a person who knows CZ guns.

I decided not to risk it because I could get into trouble saying it was a B model and lying saying that this one doesn't say B on it because.

[Timberland]

In the case of the GLOCK 19, why could it not be? By all legal deffinitions it is still a GLOCK 19. The list is for the manufacturer, the submit a gun to be added, thats the end of it. Your recieving FFL DROSE's the gun as it's stock configuration as that is what you are buying.

In the case of the sig, If the manufacturer mods the gun but dosent change the name, its still on our safe list. But the slightest name change results in a non rostered gun. The list is about the gun's name and dimentions nothing more.

Now if your FFL dosent like recieving guns, thats their perogative.

[Hateca]

In the case of the GLOCK 19, why could it not be? By all legal deffinitions it is still a GLOCK 19. The list is for the manufacturer, the submit a gun to be added, thats the end of it. Your recieving FFL DROSE's the gun as it's stock configuration as that is what you are buying.

In the case of the sig, If the manufacturer mods the gun but dosent change the name, its still on our safe list. But the slightest name change results in a non rostered gun. The list is about the gun's name and dimentions nothing more.

Now if your FFL dosent like recieving guns, thats their perogative.

[STAGE 2]

I've wondered this myself. The list doesn't certify individual firearms, it certifies models. Therefore whether you change the color or sights or barrel or whatever doesn't change the fact that the weapon in question was XYZ model which is legal for sale here.

If there is some law on this subject I'd like to see it because the way things are interpreted now I don't really see how they could refuse such a weapon.

Whether a particular FFL does is a difference story altogether.

[grammaton76]

I can't believe no one has yet mentioned NRF's on this thread.

Transfer it in as a non-rostered frame, via a cooperative dealer... life is good. "Some Assembly Required."

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