If it saves ONE child... BS

[tonelar]

Enough time's passed that I'll bet few here remember this. A Pacifica man comes home with a used (but new to him) SW pistol.
In stock trim, this wonder-nine had an external safety (hammer drop) lever, a mag disconnect as well as an internal firing pin block.
To demo to his wife how safe the gun is; he chambers a round, drops the mag and shoots their child in the chest.

Such a tragic loss of life shouldn't have happened, right? SW built a "safer is better" pistol.

So far;
36 calgunners voted option 3 in Jlh's poll
but
for the 35 who voted 1,2,4 or 5 (especially the 8 who voted 1 and/or 4); I offer you this thought:

If you treat all firearms as if they're ALWAYS loaded, where can things possibly go wrong?

Happy New Year.

[redcliff]

Ask the cops that shoot themselves reholsterring their Glocks when their jacket waist adjusters get caught in the trigger guard?

Personally I find the "all I need is my trigger finger and brain" crowd a bit idealistic.

I always treat my handguns as if they're always loaded, but I still like having an external safety that consciously needs to be moved to put the pistol in "kill". Would you walk around hunting with a loaded shotgun or cocked AR-15 with the safety off? I wouldnt.

I'm not saying the 1911 safety is perfect, it should be able to be activated while cycling the slide to clear the round in the chamber.

[tonelar]

Point taken, Redcliff. I appreciate your mindset. My hunting wasn't done with an autoloader, so with the M70 I did have the bolt lever up (when it was my 94 I kept the hammer at half cocked). So of course the mechanical safeties have a place, but I always keep the basic rules in mind.

My one foray into bird hunting was with an over/under. While walking along it was loaded, but with the breach opened.

Also, I work with cops everyday and I will ask around. Which departments were these officers from? Are these adjusters common (hard material- or knotted line)?
Unfortunately (or fortunately) our dept moved from G19s to Sig229s. Hopefully, they really have to push alot harder to have their jacket adjuster fire it while trying to reholster their weapon.

[IceMan711]

Is this a Glock kool-aid thread in disguise?

[Splinter]

Thats the reason I like DA's or grip safeties.

[.22guy]

Well, I don't remember that story, but anyone who would point a gun at an innocent child is either a big fool, insane or a criminal.

[Turbinator]

Personally I find the "all I need is my trigger finger and brain" crowd a bit idealistic.

Personally, I 100% agree with you! There was another thread about chambering live rounds at home for the purposes of testing function, and I was totally against the practice. Several members stepped forward saying that they do this, will continue to do this, and don't see the danger in doing this.

Well, this is why Mike Dillon made reloaders - you can load your own dummy rounds exactly to your loaded ammo specs, you can chamber these dummy rounds at home for testing, and no one will ever risk a negligent discharge, period. No need to use live rounds, ever. Don't reload? Get started.

So, I am with you on this. A bit idealistic is what I think, too.

Turby

[Turbinator]

Is this a Glock kool-aid thread in disguise?

How could it be? There is nothing here that says that Glock is the answer to everything.

Turby

[Timberline]

The basic rules should always be followed:

Treat any gun as if it's loaded, never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy.

I think the OP makes the point, no one should put full faith and trust in any particular safety mechanism, to the exclusion of the primary firearms safety principles.

[Splinter]

Personally, I 100% agree with you! There was another thread about chambering live rounds at home for the purposes of testing function, and I was totally against the practice. Several members stepped forward saying that they do this, will continue to do this, and don't see the danger in doing this.

Well, this is why Mike Dillon made reloaders - you can load your own dummy rounds exactly to your loaded ammo specs, you can chamber these dummy rounds at home for testing, and no one will ever risk a negligent discharge, period. No need to use live rounds, ever. Don't reload? Get started.

So, I am with you on this. A bit idealistic is what I think, too.

Turby

I agree its no big deal to load some dummy rounds. Another thing is dont point it at anything you dont want destroyed, ever, period. You cant have an AD if you are aiming at something that is ok to shoot. They make bullet catchers for people that dont reload as well.

[Cpl_Peters]

thats why i prefer long da first pulls like on sigs and hks. when reholstering you can also put your thumb on the hammer so if the trigger does get caught it wont go far because your thumb is blocking the da hammer movement.

i dont think cycling is a very good method of testing bullet reliabilty anyway. its not that dangerous but i dont think there is a point, it will never mimic the conditions of actual cycling during firing. go to the range and test it out.

[IceMan711]

How could it be? There is nothing here that says that Glock is the answer to everything.

Turby

It comes off to me like just another post that tries to justify a lack of an external safety. "See, even the M&P has ND's, therefore Glock > all!!!11"

[Corbin Dallas]

It comes off to me like just another post that tries to justify a lack of an external safety. "See, even the M&P has ND's, therefore Glock > all!!!11"

But the OP was speaking of a SW with all the forementioned features...

A Pacifica man comes home with a used (but new to him) SW pistol.
In stock trim, this wonder-nine had an external safety (hammer drop) lever, a mag disconnect as well as an internal firing pin block.

Where is Glock mentioned?

I think you are reading into this thread a bit too much.


BTW, ND/AD's happen to MANY different types of pistols and rifles. But aiming a loaded weapon a at person to prove a point is just plain stupid.

[Bruce3]

why the hell would you ever point a gun at a child let alone pull the trigger as well?

[gmcal]

I think the OP is referencing the safety devices on a pistol is no substitute for proper gun handling.