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  • Rhyyke
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2128

    1911 2,000 Round Challenge: Updated 3/16/16

    Update: 6/12/16

    Well, I am sad to report that at round 1309 without cleaning, the Springfield Professional experienced a stoppage. The extractor failed to pick up a round as it was chambered, causing it to stop out of battery. Haven't had the chance to perform a tension test on it, but given that the gun came to be fairly well used I am not surprised that the extractor needs a little care. I continued to shoot up to the 1500 round mark, and experienced the same malfunction again with a different magazine.

    So my Springfield Professional has officially failed at the 2,000 round challenge. I will be field stripping it to check the extractor, as well as give it a nice thorough cleaning. Despite my disappointment, this experience has made me want to test my other 1911s too. So next up will probably be the ACW Mil-Spec, look out for that thread in a few weeks!


    Update: 3/16/16

    Was meaning to update this thread at the 500 mark but it would have been boring so I didn't. Got asked about this challenge so I decided on a little status report for those who are still wondering:

    Rounds: 850, grouped into 400, 200, 250 over three range trips.

    Type of Ammo: Bulletman (thanks bro!) .45's only.

    Magazines Used: Confession time. I know my Professional is the pickiest with magazines in my stable of 1911s. Some of the mags it came with, along with my 8 or so year old Wilson 47D's, don't run so well in this gun. So for this test I went with mags I knew it liked; new Tripp Cobras and a couple of it's "tuned" mags rebuilt with Tripp Power 7 kits.

    Malfunctions: None so far.

    That's pretty much where we stand now, I should be breaking the 1k mark over the next couple days. Might take some pictures of it as the chamber is getting nice and filthy, but I think taking it apart would kind of ruin the point of this test?

    /update

    Been meaning to get around to this all year, finally decided to get started as I might have some free time next week. I'll be taking one of my 1911s and putting it through the 2,000 round challenge. And it's election season so in the spirit of democracy, I'm letting my CG friends have their voices heard (who says voting in California is pointless??)


    For those who don't know, here are the rules via copypasta:

    RULES

    * Shooter must use a single pistol (distinct brand, model, caliber, serial number) for the entire 2,000 rounds. Pistol should be properly cleaned and lubricated before the test begins. Any brand pistol, stock or modified (please list all modifications), any caliber.

    * Shooter can take as long as necessary (days, weeks, months) to fire 2,000 rounds through the pistol.

    * The pistol cannot be cleaned, lubricated, or maintained in any way during the entire 2,000 round test period.

    * Shooter can use any type of ammunition: factory, remanufactured, or hand loaded. Shooter can use as many different brands, styles, bullet weights, etc. as necessary as long as all ammunition meets the SAAMI specifications for the caliber of the gun.

    * Shooter must report ALL stoppages, malfunctions, and/or parts breakages that occur during the 2,000 round test regardless of cause. This includes any such problems that are deemed "shooter-induced" or "ammunition-induced."

    * If a stoppage, malfunction, or breakage may be ammunition-induced, the shooter can follow this procedure (but must still report the actual results with the original test pistol): if the round still has a bullet, powder, and undetonated primer the shooter can attempt to fire the round in a freshly lubricated and cleaned pistol of different brand than the test gun. If the round fails to fire in this second pistol which is clean, lubricated, and not of the same brand, then although the original stoppage or malfunction must be reported it will not count against achieving the "2,000 Round Challenge" success criteria.

    Other Parameters

    In the interest of scientific consistancy, I will be using fresh magazines for this test, mostly new-ish Tripp Cobras. I have also dedicated a fresh Wolff spring set for whichever 1911 is the constestant, to eliminate spring wear as an issue.

    I expect to take about 2-3 months total to complete the challenge. I'll be hitting the range for a 500 round opening day next week, then probably around 500 rounds per month after that. Updates and pictures of course will be forthcoming!

    Edit: And yes I voted lol.
    202
    Nighthawk Talon
    0%
    35
    Springfield Professional
    0%
    76
    Springfield Mil-Spec by Alchemy Custom Weaponry
    0%
    43
    Colt Special Combat Government
    0%
    48
  • #2
    Spyder
    CGN Contributor
    • Mar 2008
    • 16747

    In 2,000 rounds, I hope there are NO failures. I've got more than that on several guns and I'm terrible at cleaning.

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    • #3
      quadmx301
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2013
      • 1426

      I vote Mil-spec. I'd like to see what a basic, affordable, everyday 1911 can hold up to. Granted it's probably had some work, but the base package is on the lower range of cost. Either way, great idea! I'll be looing forward to your results.
      "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle" - Gen John J. Pershing, February, 1918

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      • #4
        glockman19
        Banned
        • Jun 2007
        • 10486

        The reason I first bought a Kimber Custom II is because I shot it so well at the range. I asked why Kimber.

        They said, "This gun has over 70,000 rounds through it. It has had a change of springs and a barrel replacement at 50,000 rounds."

        I bought one and regret ever selling it.

        I think most off the shelf 1911's would cycle 2,000 rounds with no issues at all.

        I picked the Springfield Professional as I know it will shoot true after 2,000 without and cleaning.

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        • #5
          AreWeFree
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 4558

          Awesome, can I play?

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          • #6
            kozumasbullitt
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2009
            • 2909

            All of the above, 2000 rounds is break in.

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            • #7
              trigger945
              Calguns Addict
              • Sep 2012
              • 5795

              Just voted. Looking forward to the results of your challenge.

              I chuckled a little bit reading this. I decided not to clean 2 of my 1911's to see how far I can take them before any malfunction. More importantly, I am just lazy about cleaning, haha. So far, each one has had about 500 rounds through after the last cleaning 2 to 4 months ago, depending on the gun. I am keeping track of the number of rounds using a spreadsheet. So I guess I am also doing this challenge anyways.

              Have fun brother!
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              • #8
                Rhyyke
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 2128

                I should probably give a little background; of the four candidates the Professional has the most rounds through it, around 3,000 from me. The Nighthawk has seen a little over a thousand, and the Mil-Spec has about the same. The Colt is the newest so only has seen about 500-800 rounds through it so far.

                CNN is reporting that the Professional is making a strong early showing, despite the Mil-Spec spliting the Springfield vote!

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                • #9
                  Cypriss32
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 5906

                  Give us specs on the Mil Spec please. What kind thread is this with out pictures?
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                  • #10
                    Rhyyke
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 2128

                    Originally posted by trigger945
                    Just voted. Looking forward to the results of your challenge.

                    I chuckled a little bit reading this. I decided not to clean 2 of my 1911's to see how far I can take them before any malfunction. More importantly, I am just lazy about cleaning, haha. So far, each one has had about 500 rounds through after the last cleaning 2 to 4 months ago, depending on the gun. I am keeping track of the number of rounds using a spreadsheet. So I guess I am also doing this challenge anyways.

                    Have fun brother!
                    I'm guessing ACW's work is being represented over on your side as well? My vote went to the Mil-Spec for that reason actually; would love to see how Rob's work stands up to hard use.

                    Mil-Specs! (Haha terrible I know)

                    This Mil-Spec has been out to Alchemy Custom not once but twice, the first trip being sent by the original owner and the second by myself. Here's what's on it:

                    Original Owner:

                    Refit slide and frame
                    Kart NM barrel, EGW bushing
                    flush cut and crown barrel 30 degrees
                    Nighthawk trigger, C&S ignition, 3.5# trigger
                    Wilson ambi safety
                    S&A beavertail grip safety
                    10-8 angled mag catch
                    10-8 slide stop
                    Nighthawk magwell blended
                    Wilson BP extractor, EGW firing pin stop
                    Checkered front strap 25 LPI
                    Heinie black rear sight, 10-8 fiber optic front
                    Dehorn complete pistol
                    Cerakote two tone
                    Harrison plunger tube
                    Full internal deburr
                    10-8 grip screws
                    Carry cut slide

                    Me:

                    French border cut
                    Switch red FO sight to green
                    Wilson BP thumb safety (the one in there was a little loose and would half engage)
                    Ed Brown extended mag catch (I'm a lefty so the angled 10-8 one did not work well for me)
                    Ball cut slide.
                    Hard Chrome brushed flat and matte rounds.

                    Here are some pics of our candidates, except the front runner Springfield Professional has not been photographed recently:





                    Last edited by Rhyyke; 12-23-2015, 11:31 AM.

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                    • #11
                      JackRydden224
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 7223

                      I think I need another 1911 for this.

                      You people are terrible enablers.

                      Bad, bad, BAD CALGUNNERS!

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                      • #12
                        Chapped Hide
                        Veteran Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 3901

                        I voted for the Mil Spec because I already know how the Pro is going to perform.
                        **** your feelings!

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                        • #13
                          eviioiive
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 1620

                          Only 2000?

                          I have a couple glocks that have passed at 5000
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                          • #14
                            45R
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 2028

                            I have a TRP that is cruising 1500 rounds with no issues except with 200gr SWC bullets. It is hit and miss with SWC sort of like Harvey and Columbia....
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                            • #15
                              tbc
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 5955

                              Colt special combat gets my vote.



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