Switching Back From CZ to Glock

[Captiontom]

I started shooting uspsa at the start of this year with a glock 34. I'm currently a B class shooter but I'm working hard on making A by the end of the year. A few months ago I got sucked into the metal vs plastic debate and decided to try out a cz. I have a cz 75 but wanted to use an sp01. I picked up a shadow target, shot it for three months and recently decided to go back to my glock.

On the cz I polished the internals, installed a short reset disconnected, put on a thinner from sight and swapped out the some springs. I got the trigger just under six pounds for the double action and 3lbs 4oz for the single action. The cz trigger feels great, and it only took a few days of dry fire before I was comfortable taking a 25 yard double action first shot. Besides the trigger, what I like most about the cz is the lpa sight cut. My cz trigger is nice and crisp, but the glock trigger is lighter. My glock trigger is horrible, it feels like a wet sponge and completely lacks a break. With the glock I wasn't going for feel, I only wanted to get the weight of the pull down. It's under three pounds and the weight of the pull is all I notice when actually shooting.

I switched back to my glock because it's lighter and feels better in my hands. The glock is lighter which makes my transitions and draw faster. It's easier to start and stop the pistol. With the cz I would always find myself either transitioning slower than I would like or I would over shoot the target as I try to get the weight of the pistol to stop. My reloads are also faster with the glock. The mag well feels like its twice as big as the CZ. I basically can't miss a reload.

One thing the cz has going for it is that it does have less muzzle flip. The glock has more muzzle flip but after shooting both I realized that isn't a problem. How high your muzzle rises after the shot isn't an issue, what is is how consistently the sights track and how quickly you can get the sights to settle for the next shot. With the cz the sights don't lift as much but I can't get them to track as consistently and they shake a little more side to side after the shot as I get the weight of the pistol settled down. With the glock the sight track straight up and down and then return to the original spot faster than with my cz.

How comfortable a pistol is in your hands is a personal thing, but I like how the glock feels more than the cz. The cz is more comfortable when shooting one handed, but as soon as I put my weak hand on the pistol the glock feels better. It must be the glock perfection grip angle.

When it comes to accuracy both guns are about even. At first I was shooting the glock better than the cz at 25 yards because I wan't use to the cz trigger yet. Now I can pick up either gun and my groups will look the same.


Clifs-
transitions, draw and reloads are all faster with the glock
glock feels better in my hands
glock has more recoil but that isn't an issue
both guns are accurate

[Shovel]

I think that going back to a Glock may be good then. There are more pros than cons in your list. It sounds like you wanted to try something new, you did (and gave it a solid opportunity), and it didn't work out. Go back to your Glock until you see something else that might work out.

Maybe try and get your hands on and M&P Pro. That could make for a solid shooter.

[static2126]

I have tried replacing the G19 with everything (in order: PPQs, VP9, Sig P320, CZ P01) the only ones I still own are CZ P01, but even CGW tuned they are not replacing my glocks.

The CGW P01's are more accurate and shoot great but my transitions are much slower and the G19 just feels right in hand.

G19 recoils more but 9mm recoil is nothing. The Mrs does love her tuned CZ P01's though

[NYT]

just picked up an m&p pro core 9

i will shoot it along with my tuned 34s and cz sp01s. i disagree with one point you made though, my sp01s were more accurate out of the box than my glocks.

[Euphoria526]

This thread is blasphemy. You have never had a man card

[Euphoria526]

Reported for clearly being under the influence of a highly illegal substance before posting in the Internet....

[Socal858]

i left Glock a couple of years back and have dumped everything - Sigs, CZ, HK, M&P, 1911's.

Back to Glocks again. The reload is one of the great advantages, even with no aftermarket magwell. I just shoot it much faster and more efficiently than anything else on the market. Maybe except the PPQ 5", but I have picked up two G34's, mags, and holsters for what PPQ 5" are going for nowadays

[Captiontom]

This thread is blasphemy. You have never had a man card

Don't be mad that cz can't be perfection like glock is

i left Glock a couple of years back and have dumped everything - Sigs, CZ, HK, M&P, 1911's.

Back to Glocks again. The reload is one of the great advantages, even with no aftermarket magwell. I just shoot it much faster and more efficiently than anything else on the market. Maybe except the PPQ 5", but I have picked up two G34's, mags, and holsters for what PPQ 5" are going for nowadays

I didn't realize how large the mag well was on a Glock until comming back to it. Adding a mag well would feel like cheating

[tsoiky]

I am a newbie to uspsa. I have cz sp01, g34 and m&p core. My final pick is also the glock.

My cz is totally stock. Don't want to deal with the double action at 1st shoot. Maybe if I have the time and money, I will mod it and give it a try.

My m&p core has Apex FSS trigger kit and a red dot. Don't wanna suicide and shoot in limit (and take out the red dot).

Leave me the g34 to try out at production class. At least she is easy to mod, easy to fix... and I think that's important for a newbie.


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[Euphoria526]

Don't be mad that cz can't be perfection like glock is


I didn't realize how large the mag well was on a Glock until comming back to it. Adding a mag well would feel like cheating

That's funny. There is no such thing as glock perfection. Usually the first thing fanbois do is limp wrist it and complain it's broken. Not to mention the necessity of changing parts before shooting it. Sounds like perfection to me......
Glocks are too genaric for me to like. There like girls with bolt ons. There kinda fun for awhile but not worth the long haul wear and tear.

[mabilis_matulis]

Once you go glock you'll never.......

[nitroxdiver]

Great write up, thank you. Congrats on your B class and good luck on making A.
I too am sticking with a Glock (17) for USPSA. Added g34 controls and did some spring swaps, sights, and a connector swap. Not my favorite handgun by any stretch, but I sure like it for USPSA. I'm only a C shooter. Talking it slow and steady, and I need a lot more comps under my belt.


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[Captiontom]

I am a newbie to uspsa. I have cz sp01, g34 and m&p core. My final pick is also the glock.

My cz is totally stock. Don't want to deal with the double action at 1st shoot. Maybe if I have the time and money, I will mod it and give it a try.

My m&p core has Apex FSS trigger kit and a red dot. Don't wanna suicide and shoot in limit (and take out the red dot).

Leave me the g34 to try out at production class. At least she is easy to mod, easy to fix... and I think that's important for a newbie.


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There is the provisional division carry optics that you could try out. It's a production setup with a red dot and a weight limit that excludes full size CZs

Great write up, thank you. Congrats on your B class and good luck on making A.
I too am sticking with a Glock (17) for USPSA. Added g34 controls and did some spring swaps, sights, and a connector swap. Not my favorite handgun by any stretch, but I sure like it for USPSA. I'm only a C shooter. Talking it slow and steady, and I need a lot more comps under my belt.


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Get a regular dry fire routine and practice outside of matches and you should easily make B

[wu_dot_com]

Clifs-
transitions, draw and reloads are all faster with the glock.

target transition makes sense with glock being better. DA/SA VS DAO. if your CZ is converted to SAO, it may work better.
draw is faster also makes more sense, since glock are both lighter and the external geometry is more streamline than CZ.

faster reload is mostly due to larger Mag width of Glock. that plus polymer mag makes the stock magwell to be even thicker than metal counterpart.

glock feels better in my hands

im going to take a guess that your hands are on the larger side. this would make sense when you said CZ shot better with one hand. if you get a pair of thick CZ grips, it may help with the two hand hold.

also you mention there are more side to side movement after a shot in CZ, where it didnt happen in Glocks. i think you are on to something. I believe judging from your description, where the grip angle of glocks makes it easier for you to lock your wrist. try to stiffen/ lock your wrist when you shoot the CZ and see if it helps.

as far as improving manipulating CZ more effectively, try to shorten the swing arc by keeping the gun closer to your body (center of mass). think of physics and centripetal force; when an object is further from the center, it would require more force for the same degrees of travel vs an object that is close to the center. this will throw off your previously establish rhythm from using Glocks, you can eventually develop muscle memory that will work with this heavier weight.

[bsg]

many owners go full circle at one time or another, which is one reason not to sell too soon/at all when changing platforms.