Just a +1 to Para ordnance *updated fourth time*

[fritztkatt]

The couple times I've called Para CS (mags, sights) I got good CS from Justin. He's the only one that answers the phone in my experience. Always helpful and polite. When I asked for the sight cut details he emailed a diagram of them on the spot.

Yesterday I called for a warranty claim. Had an extractor break at 2k rounds. Almost no questions asked, has one in the mail. After explaining how I think it broke (pressure from ftf from weak recoil spring), he tacked on a free spring. Sadly I'm expecting a 2-3 week delay because of Freedom group buying them out.

Speaking of the Freedom group buyout, he said that they kept all the guys from Para to continue building guns, and the support staff to absorb into the Remington handgun division. At the start of 2016 the guns will just recieve the Remington roll mark instead of para. They plan to continue to honor the para lifetime warranty.

Anyway... +1 to Para and their CS...
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New update: had a barrel bushing crack on the same gun now. Just under 2500 rounds. It cracked at 6 oclock below the barrel, right between the recoil spring plug ears. From muzzle-breech direction, all the way through. With jist finger pressure, i can make it open up.

Called them up, spoke to Justin again and after I email some pictures to verify they will send out a new part.

It really irks me that I've had 2 failures in less than 2500 rounds. "You get what you pay for"... still good CS though.

No issues with the user installed replacement extractor so far. Only malfunctions since are magazine related (identified the problem mag).

Will update again when I get the new bushing.

[gumby]

That is good to hear. No worries then if I buy a Para:-)

[fritztkatt]

Update...

Got the parts from Para today, finally. It's been a long wait. They sent me the correct recoil spring, but not extractor. Not sure if it's a Remington 1911 part, or what, but the support bulge on it is WAY too big. About the size of the head (where the slide plate engages it) instead of the size of the hole in the slide. The claw end is also much larger than the original. I understand some slight over-size so it can be fitted, but it seems like way too much than should need to be taken off. It's also squared instead of rounded (I think that it may be that way for hand fitting). The packing slip states EGW extractor as was supposed to be OEM. Pictures from the EGW site show the part sent to me being a much closer match than OEM. This doesn't make sense... shouldn't it have come with the gun to begin with? Aren't the EGW parts supposed to be of standard size to the 1911 platform (granted a touch over for fitting, but not ridiculously over size)?

I'm going to call them in the morning and hear what they have to say...

[toddh]

I think this is one time an email w/a good pic of the part would have saved you some waiting.

I do own a PARA SSP 1911, so this thread, the CS contact, and the update with Remington is welcome information.

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[BoJackUSMC]

Big size difference....hope you get it to work

[fritztkatt]

I think this is one time an email w/a good pic of the part would have saved you some waiting.

Yeah, although I was positive that all the para guns came with that extractor as an OEM part, thusly only stocking one part # at their plant/service/whatever...

Having never owned a 1911 prior to this, I didn't know that was a regular pattern part as opposed to what they ADVERTISED it as having.

Can someone confirm the upper/broken part pictured is a typical pattern 1911 extractor? Can anyone elaborate on the expected size difference? I failed to see anything on the EGW site about it being for a different sized hole in the slide, leading me to believe it would be a drop in upgrade to any other gun, requiring no special modification.

I don't want to speak negatively about the CS, yet, because it may just be a simple mistake. We're all humans and are prone to such things. I just find it difficult that they expressly state the EGW extractor as a base-model/stock feature yet find out its not. That's bad marketing, likely borderline false advertising. No, I'm not the kind of ***** that wants to make a big stink about a $40 part, but it is really annoying when you buy a product for a feature, and it doesn't come with said feature.

Side note: I had called twice (about 2 weeks apart) on this and spoke to a different guy, I'm hoping they didn't fire the original and replace just because of the change of ownership. It doesn't seem below the capacity of Remington and freedom group...

[fritztkatt]

Just got off the phone with para. Dude says I mustve gotten a new old stock (it was NIB when I took posession) Model that's pre-egw. Indirectly confirming that the slide must be bored out to accept the EGW opposed to a standard style part.

He said they no longer support that style extractor in their parts bin, so they can't help me. FFS! What happened to "lifetime"?

I feel really let down here, but from what I'm told this is what happens when you get bought out by freedom group...

So, looks like I have to go buy a damn extractor myself...

[toddh]

I would send a pic and an email to EGW.

Here's a link to extractors...

http://www.egwguns.com/index.php?p=catalog&mode=search&search_in=all&search_str=extractor&x=15&y=10

This one looks very very close....but OOS

http://www.egwguns.com/index.php?p=product&id=58

Midway ...in stock

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1070314889/wilson-combat-bullet-proof-extractor-1911-45-acp-series-70-80?cm_vc=subv1070314889

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[MA5177]

EGW still makes the oversize extractor for your gun, they are 40 bucks or so.
Yes Para should take care of it, but I would save myself the frustration and just buy one. Honestly their limetime warrantee is worthless unless a frame or slide cracks, for the little stuff just fix it yourself.

[fritztkatt]

That's what I'm getting out of this. I'll have to get a regular extractor.

My armorer suggested I do so. It wouldn't really be worth it to have a gunsmith bore it out to accept the EGW part on a $700 gun.

Who has an extractor that's forged/milled not MIM? Wilson bullet proof? That's what I'm looking at right now. If I have to spend the $$ on the parts myself I might as well make it worth it in the long run.

[Monkeywrench]

The range officer where I shoot had an older Para LDA. I don't recall exactly what was wrong but it was in the fire control. Maybe double tapping intermittently. Anyway, he sent it to Para and when it came back the regular hammer had been replaced with a bobbed one and it had major ftf/fte issues. He called them up and they don't have the hammer for it anymore. He is going to have to send it back to get the other issues fixed. My P14 had problems brand new from the box. I probably won't send it in. It would likely come back worse. Para has disappointed me.

[wamphyri13]

What year and model is the Para in question? I have a 2005 SSP with their PXT extractor. Maybe that's why you got the oversized one. They don't do the PXT anymore.
Ryan

[fritztkatt]

I need to look up my serial number for a production date. Granted I haven't searched at all, at the time of writing, but does anyone know of a chart of sn/date for these guns?

Judging by pictures I have a standard series 80 extractor.

[wamphyri13]

How about a couple pics? That might help.
Ryan

[fritztkatt]

Did you look at the ones I attached? I can take more but there's only so much to photograph of an extractor...