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**1recluse** · 08-11-2015, 9:17 PM

I don't know if your familiar with the 1911 Forum, but some of the foremost 1911 Smiths frequent this forum. You can ask your question in the gunsmith forum where they frequent to possibly get your answer.

Gunsmithing & Troubleshooting

http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18

Talk about custom parts, gunsmithing, maintenance, and troubleshooting for the 1911.Dedicated to the late Brian Bilby, who devoted so much time and knowledge to this forum. Thanks Brian.1911Forum cannot verify and is not responsible for the accuracy of any data posted!

Ken

**Sugarfoot47** · 08-12-2015, 5:03 PM

Go to Brownells website and look up Doug Turnbull 1911 parts. They have the correct sight with the pin type tenon. Cylinder& Slide sells there own repros also. I just bought a 1917 commercial that had an incorrect sight on it and purchased one of the DT sights. Really well made. Part# 899-000-004 If the pistol is pretty much stock already, I would keep it stock. It'll be worth a lot more down the road if not already worth a lot judging from the finish.

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**sd joe** · 08-12-2015, 5:37 PM

Get any tenon and file to fit.

**67Cuda** · 08-13-2015, 8:26 AM

My neighbor has a early 1911, and the front and rear sights on it look to be part of the slide. No dove tail.

If I get him to let me take a picture of it, I'll post it.

Tom

**Che762x39** · 08-13-2015, 9:11 AM

Originally posted by clb

Thanx,,, I'm gunna go look.
it looks like the pre 1919 models ( round stake) are like hens teeth.
I may put it back stock and get a newer unit for carry.
Now to find a set.

You really do not want to go "all bubba" on a early Colt 1911. If you need a carry gun a Rock Island 1911 will be a great choice. Also check out the 1911 Forum, lots of good folks there.

**JDay** · 08-13-2015, 9:51 AM

Originally posted by HopetonBrown

Novak will mill the slide and install for a reasonable fee.

Blasphemy! You do not mill the slide of an early 1911.

OP do us all a favor and have the correct sights put back on and purchase another 1911 for carry. It would be a shame to Bubba that pistol.

**pterrell** · 08-13-2015, 9:59 AM

NOOOOOOOO! DO NOT CHANGE AN EARLY COLT 1911!!!!!!!

If you want a carry 1911 with sights, go buy another one. They aren't making 100 year old guns. If you don't like the collector value, put it up for sale.

**Sugarfoot47** · 08-13-2015, 10:42 AM

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Cylinder & Slide - Handguns parts and accessories 404: Not Found page. Cylinder & Slide Inc. located in Fremont NE is your true custom handgun shop. Custom Handguns. Custom Pistolsmithing. Each of our pistolsmiths builds your complete custom revolver or custom auto from start to finish. A true custom gunsmith. Gunsmith training available. Gunsmith School.

This is another option from C&S for your front sight, being that Brownells is out of the Doug Turnbull unit. Do you have the original rear sight? If so, put it back on. Although it's ultimately your choice, as others have stated you would do well by keeping the gun as stock and original as you can. The older 1911s have been going up in value steadily every year since the design has passed the century mark. As for using it for carry, don't do it. Again as others have stated, buy another gun fit for CCW. Everytime it gets worn down from the rigors of carrying, it starts to lower the value. Besides, if you had to use this one in a defensive shooting, you will be waiting a long time to get it back , if you get it back at all.

**pterrell** · 08-13-2015, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by clb

Last 3... Came to my senses this morning,,,
She is back to her perch guarding one access to the house.
Going to look for a nice used unit.

Btw been on 1911 forum for longer than here' thanx for the leads tho!

From all of us, thank you

I love my Sig 1911. Most have pretty nice night sights out of the box. I bought mine new for under $1000

**Sugarfoot47** · 08-13-2015, 11:12 AM

Just for fun here's an extreme example of a low serial number 1911 that was put up on the Rock Island auction back in 2011. Serial number 33. It would bring even more now. If you look at the paperwork that comes with it, you'll notice a letterhead from Jerry Berman and Sons right here in San Bernardino. He offered the owner 6300 dollars for it 20 years ago.

1911 Pistol Colt 45 Assembled On Dec. 28, 1911

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/53/lid/3131

Rare Early Production U.S. Colt Model 1911 Semi-Automatic Pistol Serial Number 33This Colt Model 1911 Semi-Automatic Pistol was assembled by Colt on December 28, 1911, during the first week of production of the U.S. Government contract Model 1911 pistols. This is one of the few Model 1911 Pistols completed by Colt in 1911. Pistols number 1-50 were shipped from Colt to the Springfield Armory on January 4, 1912. The pistol has the Colt high polish, commercial blue, finish with niter blue hammer, safety lock, slide stop, trigger, magazine catch and rear sight. This high polish blue finish was changed to a "dull finish" by order of the Chief of Ordnance in April 1912 and was not applied to Model 1911 pistols after serial number 2400. The pistol has checkered, oil finished, walnut stocks with the early style thin stock screws. In addition to the high polish blue finish, this pistol has the distinctive features and markings found only on very early production Model 1911 pistols. The slide stop and safety lock are hand-checkered; machine checkering was introduced on these parts at approximately serial number 150. The magazine catch has the first style (Type I) 'dimpled' lock that was installed on pistols thru serial number 3189. Most of the Type I locks were subsequently modified; pistols with un-modified locks are rare. The recoil spring plug is the early style that lacks the punched lip added around serial number 6500. The rear sight is the early, round-top, pattern. The hammer is the early, short pattern used until 1913. The pistol is complete with the original, Type I magazine that was shipped with the first 2500 Model 1911 pistols. The magazine has a dull, full-blue, finish with exposed base. The barrel is blued with a rough, brush blue, chamber top. The barrel, slide and receiver are not stamped with the "H" provisional inspection mark added about serial number 400 in February 1912. The left side of the receiver has the very desirable, large, (3/32") flat-stamped "UNITED STATES PROPERTY" mark. This marking was replaced with the smaller (1/16"), roll-stamped marking at serial number 104. The circular, "WPG" final inspection mark of Ordnance Inspector Walter G. Penfield is stamped above the magazine release. The right side of the receiver is stamped with the serial number "No.33" in small letters in front of the slide stop hole. "MODEL OF 1911. U.S. ARMY" is stamped on the right side of the slide ahead of the ejection port. The left side of the slide has the distinctive Colt patent markings and logo. The patent marking: "PATENTED APR.20.1897/SEPT.9.1902. DEC.19.1905. FEB.14.1911" is in two unequal lines with letters 1/16" high. The logo: "COLT'S PT. F.A. MFG. CO./ HARTFORD.CT. U.S.A." uses larger, 5/64", letters. The Colt logo was reduced to 1/16" letters at serial number 84. The encircled Rampant Colt trademark is stamped on the left side of the slide behind the grip serrations. According to documentation supplied by a previous owner, this pistol was the property of his grandfather, Lewis E. Moore. Lewis Moore, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology graduate and engineer by trade, went to France as a Captain with the Army Corps of Engineers during World War One, building bridges for river crossings. After the war, he returned to civilian bridge building, sat on the Committee of the Department of Building Engineering and Construction at MIT, and rose to the rank of Colonel in the Army reserve. Lewis Moore's son, Luther Samuel Moore, was, among other distinctions, a NRA Gold Medal winning marksman, held a world shooting record for 50 ft. 22 caliber rifle shooting (3000 consecutive bullseyes in 8 hours, 40 minutes), corresponded with Captain William Fairbairn and in the process helped influence the then-developing "Shanghai" school of knife fighting, which would later inform the techniques and tactics of the Special Operations Executive, presented (along with Samuel S. Yeaton, USMC) the "Shanghai Model" knife to Fairbairn, and served as the wartime commander of Marine Fighting Squadron 211, aka Wake Island Avengers, which would see losses at both Wake Island and Pearl Harbor, participate in the Treasury-Bougainville Campaign, and the Battles of Bismarck Sea and Leyte Gulf.

**Sugarfoot47** · 08-14-2015, 9:35 AM

4 digit? If that's the case it would be several years older than a 1918 production model. Depending on the serial number the latest it could have been made would be roughly around early 1914 if it's a commercial gun.

**onelonehorseman** · 08-14-2015, 11:39 AM

I'm with everyone above who says don't bubba (ruin, disfigure, de-value, etc) an early M1911!

**4runnin** · 08-14-2015, 10:09 PM

Sounds like you already have the answer but just go with originals/repro's. Heres the sights on my 1918. I think they changed them on the 1924's and later models.

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