handgun with internal lock

[liberty47]

If during ppt a handgun comes with an internal lock does the buyer also need to purchase a lock from the LGS (According to state law).

Searched the site but the wording confused me and I need clarification.

Thanks....

[teg33]

Internal lock like Taurus PT745 ? No, you don't need additional lock

[liberty47]

Not familiar with the taurus, but an internal like one that comes on a bersa thunder.

[teg33]

No you don't need additional lock

[onelonehorseman]

Or if you have a safe you can fill out a safe affidavit in lieu of any lock.

[JDay]

I'm pretty sure internal locks are not DOJ approved.

[sofbak]

Not familiar with the taurus, but an internal like one that comes on a bersa thunder.

Had a similar experience. At a LGS, I bought a new Springfield Loaded Target 1911 that had an internal lock. Even though I brought a lock and a receipt, I was told that with the internal lock on the gun, a separate lock wasn't needed.

Went back to the same LGS a few months later, and PPT'd a Bersa Thunder. I asked about the internal lock on that one, and was told I had to have a separate lock since the one on the Bersa wasn't "approved" by the DOJ.

So who knows.......chances are not the LGS, but some are well versed.

You should know the following:

1. WRT to the law, you don't have to bring a new lock with you to pick up your gun.

2. WRT to the law, you don't have to buy a new lock from the LGS when you pick up your gun.

3. The law says you must provide a receipt for an approved lock that is dated within 30 days of the purchase of the gun, and the FFL must attach a copy of that receipt to your paper work for their records. So get a lock you already have or get a friend to "sell" you this or his lock. Then go online to a "receipt maker" site, make a receipt with a good date, and go get your gun. Or go buy a lock within the 30 day window, and carry that one with you. Once out of the GS, take the lock back for a refund.....

[billofrights]

Or if you have a safe you can fill out a safe affidavit in lieu of any lock.

Only for long guns, as this question is in the handgun forum that answer is incorrect.

[devilcaninex]

Depends on the shop. I sold my 629 with internal lock and the shop made the buyer purchase a lock anyway.

[Midtown]

Only for long guns, as this question is in the handgun forum that answer is incorrect.

Application of that requirement is inconsistent. When I bought my handgun private party the FFL just asked if I had a safe, didn't even ask any more details about it and didn't make my buy a lock.

[elSquid]

There is a roster of approved safety devices; if the internal lock is on that list ( like Springfields ILS ) then you are GTG.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fsdcertlist

-- Michael

[liberty47]

Application of that requirement is inconsistent. When I bought my handgun private party the FFL just asked if I had a safe, didn't even ask any more details about it and didn't make my buy a lock.

This is probably the most frustrating thing for me. Some require a lock and some don't. The one's that don't aren't getting into trouble are they? Maybe they could potentially get into trouble?

Anyone think some stores choose to enforce the rule so they can sell a $2 lock for $10?

[liberty47]

There is a roster of approved safety devices; if the internal lock is on that list ( like Springfields ILS ) then you are GTG.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fsdcertlist

-- Michael

I clicked on the link and ended up more confused. I think the information on a bersa .380 duotone is there but not sure what I'm reading.

Thanks CADOJ!

[ke6guj]

if a handgun comes with an internal lock, that lock complies with the federal handgun safety lock law, so we now only have to satisfy CA law. that means that we now look at the CA lock roster and see if that handgun's internal lock is on the roster. some are, some aren't.

Springfield's ILS is on the list, so if you buy one of those, you are all done, you've satisfied CA and federal lock laws and you don't need to do anything else.

if it is something like a Bersa which does not appear to be on the lock roster, federal law is still satisfied iwth the internal lock, but you still need to comply with CA law by purchasing a lock or doing a Safe Affidavit (yes, you can still use a Safe Affidavit on handgun transfers).

[liberty47]

if a handgun comes with an internal lock, that lock complies with the federal handgun safety lock law, so we now only have to satisfy CA law. that means that we now look at the CA lock roster and see if that handgun's internal lock is on the roster. some are, some aren't.

Springfield's ILS is on the list, so if you buy one of those, you are all done, you've satisfied CA and federal lock laws and you don't need to do anything else.

if it is something like a Bersa which does not appear to be on the lock roster, federal law is still satisfied iwth the internal lock, but you still need to comply with CA law by purchasing a lock or doing a Safe Affidavit (yes, you can still use a Safe Affidavit on handgun transfers).

Ok now this is making more sense, thank you ke6guj

If I read correctly, FFL's have a choice: charge for a lock or safe affidavit? Or is that only pertaining to a handgun with an internal lock?

Thanks