Bore scrubbing

[protohyp]

I always rinse my brass bore brushes out with water after using them and they last a bit longer. But I usually use nylon brushes because unless I can see a lot of fouling inside the bore, then the nylon brushes get the bore clean enough.



I don't believe you can damage a bore by over cleaning. In the military we'd clean our guns until the dang bluing would come off and the gun would still be good to go.

Agree! again who wants a firearm that can't handle cleaning?!?!


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[jeffrice6]

When I'm shooting my lead bullet handloads, I wrap a cut piece of the 100% copper Chore Girl pot cleaner around an old bore brush. The bore looks polished after cleaning.

I've also used brass screening form the hardware store

[timbo399]

I've always used Hoppes Elite for cleaning bore and other internals, just happened to be first cleaning product ever bought and works fine for me- only thing is it includes copper cleaning component so even after one use and a good washing/rinsing my brass bore brushes would basically start to disintegrate/get fouled up. I guess I could switch to a cleaner without copper cleaning components and do that separately but I just switched to nylon brushes- probably not as effective but seem to work ok for me.

Actually these days I sometimes get lazy and just use Gunslick foaming bore cleaner for all my rifles/AR's- just cover muzzle- squirt in through chamber, let sit for 10-15 min and run a clean bore snake through 5-6 times. Then blast it with few squirts of BreakFree Powder Blast to get any residue out.

There's no one way that works for everyone, ton of different people who do their own thing- as long as no fouling then I'll stick to what I've been doing- never experienced any type of fouling or rust on any of my firearms.

I bought a used Daniel Defense AR years back and was such an idiot I just took guys word and didn't take apart for inspection. When finally brought it home this thing was absolute mess- he hadn't cleaned it in what looked like years- copper fouling everywhere and just a mess. But showed me what type of abuse those DD cold hammer forged barrels could take as after spending 30-45 min on it w cleaning rod, patches, etc, looked as shiny as a brand new barrel and shoots great.

[boltstop]

What's the problem with ammonia?

[oddjob]

http://www.schuemann.com/Portals/0/Documentation/Webfile_Barrel_Cleaning.pdf

its an interesting read....

[Carcassonne]

What's the problem with ammonia?

I believe it causes damage to the barrel, but I cannot remember how or why. Ammonia is basic instead of acidic. If you ever had a pet rodent, you may have noticed that the steel cage rusts more where the rodent urinated than where the water dish/bottle sits. Ammonia in the urine accelerates rust/corrosion.




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[cdizzle666]

I believe it causes damage to the barrel, but I cannot remember how or why. Ammonia is basic instead of acidic. If you ever had a pet rodent, you may have noticed that the steel cage rusts more where the rodent urinated than where the water dish/bottle sits. Ammonia in the urine accelerates rust/corrosion.




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Exactly, ammonia will pit and rust your bore if left for longer than a few minutes.

[huckberry668]

Cleaning the bore is to remove fouling. What's the point if there is no fouling? I don't clean my pistol barrel for at least 500, 600 rounds. Even longer for jacketed bullets.

Over cleaning the bore is unnecessary and harmful. I've see pistol bore polished into a funnel with the use of abrasive cleaners. I've seen owners tried to 'lap' the bore. I've seen guys use vinegar and peroxide solution and eroded the barrel unusable. All of them came thru the shop. can you figure out why?

use soft brushes, rods and muzzle guide to protect the crown. Remove carbon first, then copper with water based cleaners and that's it. It's better for you and the barrel. It's more important you lube pistols than cleaning the hell out of the bore.

[bountyhunter]

Nylon brush is not as effective as brass.

MYTH. Disproven by 30 years of experience. It depends what you are cleaning with and if you are under the delusion that every molecule of residue must be gouged out.

I am sure a hundred of round propelled out of a barrel damage it more then life-long cleaning.

MYTH. In fact, shooting the bullet clears out what needs to be removed from the bore. Like I said: pros clean their guns daily and the bores rarely. Go to the Brian Enos forum and ask this question. That board has MANY pro shooters.

[bountyhunter]

If you use solvents that clean out copper, hou may find your brass brushes start to eventuallt get smaller and smaller!!

NOPE. What happens is the bristles break off and you find them all throughout the action of your gun.

[bountyhunter]

http://www.schuemann.com/Portals/0/D...l_Cleaning.pdf

its an interesting read....

I've read it, but for those who have not here is the conclusion of a world renowned expert on barrels:

My Personal Practice
has become to never clean the bore of my barrels. I do use a brass rod to scrape the deposits out of the chamber. But, I've learned to leave the bore alone and it very slowly becomes shinier and cleaner all by itself. Years ago I occasionally scrubbed the bore with a brass bore brush. But, doing so always seemed to cause the bore to revert to a dirtier look with more shooting, so I eventually stopped everputting anything down the bore except bullets...

amazingly similar to what I already posted......

[punisheryayarea]

Boresnake Viper, done..............

[riderr]

MYTH. Disproven by 30 years of experience. It depends what you are cleaning with and if you are under the delusion that every molecule of residue must be gouged out.

I don't need 30 years of someone's experience. I simply clean my guns and see the difference. Brass works better then nylon.

MYTH. In fact, shooting the bullet clears out what needs to be removed from the bore. Like I said: pros clean their guns daily and the bores rarely. Go to the Brian Enos forum and ask this question. That board has MANY pro shooters.

You seem to miss the point here. The discussion was about the barrel wear out, not self-cleaning.

[tophatjones]

Is there such thing as scrubbing to much and to often? Even scrubbing when there is no fouling?

Absolutely, you can mess anything up by doing it wrong and often. Although it will take a lot of abuse to cause damage with a brass brush, it's possible. Some things to keep in mind that'll help prolong the life of your bore. Brush only from the chamber to muzzle. Use a bore guide to prevent damage to the crown. If using a solvent designed to remove copper, don't let it soak in chromed lined bores (the chrome is electroplated over copper plated steel).