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  • 003
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 3436

    Range report - - Advantage Arms .22 conversion kit

    While I have always been a bit suspect when it comes to using a .22 conversion kit, I finally decided to take the plunge and purchased one to use on my Glock 34 from the Glock Store in San Diego, ($318.59 delivered) https://www.glockstore.com/ . My first impression was very positive, professionally packaged, quality workmanship and timely delivery.

    As a Glock Armorer, I am familiar with Glock products, and after a detailed examination and wipe down, I attempted to install it on my Glock 34. I could not get it installed. I immediately called the Glock Store and was told that they could/would not help me and that I had to contact the manufacture directly.

    My next call was to Advantage Arms, where I spoke to a very pleasant lady who immediately diagnosed the problem. She told me that a few of the recently manufactured kits had a bit too much lock tight used in one area and that it had migrated into the extractor grove and locked the extractor in place. She then offered to send me a return shipping label, and further explained that it was in fact a very easy fix, and if I wanted to do it myself, she would send me a free magazine for my troubles.

    I told her I would give it a try. The fix was in fact more than simple, and within about 10 seconds I had what appeared to be a working conversion kit.

    I planned on going to the range the following day, so everything was packed in preparation.

    Once on the firing line, I loaded the magazine with 10 rounds of CCI Mimi Mag, (the recommended ammunition) and began shooting, the first round fired and I had an immediate jam. Cleared the jam and fired one addition round and another jam. The entire session went that way. I was on one occasion able to fire 3 rounds without a jam, but out of 100 rounds total, literally every other round jammed.

    I packed up and while in the car I called Advantage Arms, in an attempt to speak with the same person I had talked to previously. No luck, it was 1:05PM, and their phone business hours are from 9:00am to 1:00PM daily. Seeing as how I was at Oak Tree Range in Newhall, and Advantage Arms is 15 minutes north in Valencia, I decided to drive there and speak to someone in person.

    Upon arrival, I spoke with a pleasant older gentleman, who at first told me there was nothing they could do at that time and I would have to leave my kit. I replied “fine, I didn’t expect an immediate fix". He then said "oh let me take a look" and disappeared into the back with my kit. A few minutes later, he came back and asked for my Glock lower, as he wanted to test it on my gun.

    I indicated that I would like to watch the test fire, he agreed and we walked to the back of the building to a small test range. He loaded a magazine and immediate experienced similar failures and jams as described above. A bit more fiddling and he was able to fire 4 full ten round magazines without any issue or failure.

    I asked him what the issue was and he indicated that there is a small recess machined into the top of the chamber at the 12:00 position and that it needed to be cleaned up a bit. I thanked him and left with two additional magazines “for my trouble”.

    Lessons learned:
    1. I am still suspect when it comes to conversion kits, we will see if my now repaired/serviced kit works as advertised.

    2. I am not very happy with the lack of support and response I got from the San Diego Glock store. I would expect a retailer to stand behind a product they sell, and not blow me off and tell me I had to contact the manufacture directly.
    Last edited by 003; 05-15-2015, 9:46 PM.
  • #2
    John Browning
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2006
    • 8089

    Telling you to contact the manufacturer on issues is 100% of the industry practice and is far and away the smart move for YOU. You are going to be unpleasantly surprised should you ever actually get a retailer to agree to try and "fix" your kit/gun/etc.
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    Originally posted by KWalkerM
    eh why bring logic into this, that makes too much sense... besides when you have bested a fool, you have accomplished nothing and he is a fool.

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    • #3
      003
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 3436

      Originally posted by scobun
      Telling you to contact the manufacturer on issues is 100% of the industry practice and is far and away the smart move for YOU. You are going to be unpleasantly surprised should you ever actually get a retailer to agree to try and "fix" your kit/gun/etc.

      That has certainly not been my experience in life. I am 72 years old and have been involved in the shooting sports for over 50 years. If I purchased a holster from local gun store or a set of golf clubs from Big 5 and there was a defect I would go back to the store where I made the purchase. I really disagree with you on this one.

      A firearm is different, of course. I do agree that a defective gun would need to go to the manufacture. If the gun was brand new, I would expect the dealer to facilitate the return process and not blow me off.

      The kit was brand new, one day old. It is not like I had used it and was trying to get it fixed after months of use. I was not looking for a Costco return.

      So are your telling me that if you buy a box of ammunition or a set of sights or a recoil pad, or a spare magazine, etc and there is a defect that you are not going to take the item back to the store where you made the purchase?
      Last edited by 003; 05-15-2015, 6:55 PM.

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      • #4
        John Browning
        Calguns Addict
        • May 2006
        • 8089

        Respectfully, if you can't see the difference between a conversion kit, a firearm, ammo, etc. and a piece of foam, holster or a Big 5 golf club, I can't help you.

        If you take it to a gun shop to get fixed, if it was not broken they will fix it until it is broken. You will then go to the manufacturer who will correctly tell you that it was broken through no fault of theirs and will point you back at the shop. You will be stuck in the middle with no recourse. Again, the best practice here for the customer and the universal practice for the retailer is ALWAYS let the manufacturer handle it first.
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        Originally posted by KWalkerM
        eh why bring logic into this, that makes too much sense... besides when you have bested a fool, you have accomplished nothing and he is a fool.

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        • #5
          Tom-ADC
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 3614

          003, I agree even though I'm a little older than you are!
          US Navy Retired, NRA Lifetime member. Member CRPA

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          • #6
            003
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 3436

            Hey SCOBUN:

            We are not talking about a gun, why are you confusing the issue. We are talking about an item, no different than any other item that is used in the shooting sport. Sights, holster, grips, ear protection etc.

            Now, let’s call a truce and agree to disagree. Cal gunners need to stick together, even if we do not agree all the time.
            Last edited by 003; 05-15-2015, 7:23 PM.

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            • #7
              003
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 3436

              Hey Tom-ADC, thanks for your kind support.
              Last edited by 003; 05-15-2015, 7:18 PM.

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              • #8
                glockman19
                Banned
                • Jun 2007
                • 10486

                I've never had any issues with my Glock 19 & 26 advantage arms conversion kits and I am shooting 40 grain CCI mini mags.
                I'd try a couple different magazines and if the pro OEM persists then contact advantage arms, they're in Valencia CA.

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                • #9
                  Seaweed02
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 1650

                  How is it now?

                  I would like to hear about your next trip to the range if you find the time.

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                  • #10
                    rdtompki
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 773

                    Our Advantage Arms 22lr 1911 conversion has been flawless so far on my wife's 1911 frame. We're currently using CCI Blazer but will switch to Federal Automatch when the CCI is used up. I also have a weaker recoil spring so we can shoot standard velocity ammo (only works in the 1911 "Target" conversion.

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                    • #11
                      003
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 3436

                      That is good to hear. I do hope having mine factory adjusted did the trick.

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                      • #12
                        Calgunz420
                        Member
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 319

                        What kit did you purchase? Is it the 17-22 AA kit.? You should run the kit really lubed up. Use the oil they put in the kit.

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                        • #13
                          Sohum63
                          Member
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 372

                          I got the AA conversion kit probably 7 years ago to use on a G27. Install went pretty well and it has ran well with about the same amount of failures as my other dedicated .22, so I attribute most of them to ammo. I had a like new G26 that had not had any rounds fired through it and decided to try the conversion kit on it one day. It would repeatedly cycle one round fine then jam after the second shot. I only shot maybe a dozen rounds like that before giving up. Sense then I have used it on the well used G27 a number of times with no issues. Always thought it was strange that the problem would appear after the second shot instead of the first, still plan on figuring it out one day even though I bought it for use on the G27 that works well.

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