How to improve reset on M&P with Apex flat 1911-style trigger?

[Libertarian71]

I am new to M&P pistols, and recently acquired an M&P 9 in a trade. It is the California-version, with test shells dated April 2013, magazine disconnect, no thumb safety. This M&P has an "S" stamped on the trigger bar, which to my understanding is an older-style trigger bar.

The M&P came with a flat-faced forward set 1911-style trigger kit installed, like this one here. It is outstanding. Very short take up, crisp break, and no overtravel.

My only quibble is with the reset. It is a little too long for my preference, and it is not very audible or tactile. By comparison I have an M&P VTAC 9 (from August 2014) with a stock trigger; the reset is pretty good, much shorter, and more audible and tactile than the one with the Apex trigger installed.

It is my understanding that the newer model M&Ps like mine do not accept the Apex Reset Assist Mechanism ("RAM"). Is there anything I can do, then, to shorten the reset on my Apex flat 1911-style trigger, and make it more audible and tactile? From what I have gathered so far, the problem apparently is not with the Apex trigger itself, but due to the fact that the M&P on which it is installed has an older style trigger bar (the one with an "S" stamped on it), and an older style slide stop.

Thanks in advance for your responses.

[skosh69]

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[96chevjumps]

If your reset is long than you have to much overtravle. Is the any gap in your trigger bar hoop? ( the part on the trigger bar that pushes on the sear) if so remove that gap and it will reduce overtravle and in turn shorten reset. I can post pics if you need help with understanding.

[Libertarian71]

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Thanks. When the trigger "breaks" there is no overtravel. When the trigger resets, though, it is a bit longer than the reset on my VTAC, with a stock trigger. Not sure whether there is a gap in the trigger bar hoop. Pictures may help if it is not too much trouble.

[96chevjumps]

If there is no over travel then the trigger bar adjustment wil not help. Do you have the light trigger return spring installed? If so install the factory spring or even the green trigger spring that came in the kit. Green is even heavier than the factory. I've noticed that the light spring really does a disservice for the reset and the over all feel the the trigger. Hope that helps.

[saudadeii]

You can improve the feel of the reset with the new style slide lock. It has a bump to put more pressure on the trigger bar.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=42427

I think they are OOS but keep checking.

[96chevjumps]

His pistol may have the slide lock as I have a early 2013 m&p that came with the first Improved version ( there were 2 iterations of the improved slide lock)

[Legasat]

Not in stock

[Libertarian71]

If there is no over travel then the trigger bar adjustment wil not help. Do you have the light trigger return spring installed? If so install the factory spring or even the green trigger spring that came in the kit. Green is even heavier than the factory. I've noticed that the light spring really does a disservice for the reset and the over all feel the the trigger. Hope that helps.

Thanks. I am not sure if the light trigger return spring is installed. The Apex trigger was already installed when I acquired it.

My trigger bar has an "S" stamped on it, which to my understanding means it is an older version. I cross-posted this question at smith-wessonforum.com:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-w...#post138527288 The consensus there seems to be I will need to get a newer trigger bar with the "H" stamped on it, along with a slide-stop with a bump inside the right side.

You can improve the feel of the reset with the new style slide lock. It has a bump to put more pressure on the trigger bar.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=42427

I think they are OOS but keep checking.

Thanks! I think you are right. This is a HUGE help. A few people at smith-wessonforum.com gave the same advice.

[Libertarian71]

His pistol may have the slide lock as I have a early 2013 m&p that came with the first Improved version ( there were 2 iterations of the improved slide lock)

Thanks. Can you describe the two different iterations of the slide lock? (It is my understanding that one has a bump on the right side). My M&P from April 2013 (the one with the Apex trigger in it), has an "S" stamped on the trigger bat, and two dots on the barrel.

My VTAC, from August 2014, also has two dots on the barrel, and an "H" on the trigger bar. The reset on the VTAC is very short, and much more audible, and tactile. It's almost as good as the reset on a Glock.

[96chevjumps]

You dont need the trigger bar as its hoop is designed for the newer designed sear. It will add over travel to your set up. The first slide stop had a bump that adds pressure to the trigger bar hence more reset. The new version has welded on tabs the thicken the levers and also add pressure to the trigger bar. Any slide lock you acquire will be the newest version.

[96chevjumps]

If you look down at the trigger bar hoop you will see a flat trigger bar just below the hoop. Is there any gap between the hoop and the shiny flat portion of the trigger bar? If so adjust the gap between the hoop and bar until you cant get the sear to release when you pull the trigger. Then adjust the hoop open until it will release the sear. You can refer to the apex trigger bar adjustment video on YouTube it will help you understand the workings.

[Libertarian71]

^ Thanks. I do not see a gap between the hoop and flat portion of the trigger bar.

[Ewab0y]

Seriously, there are videos online as well as videos posted by Apex which could help you understand the descriptions given to you.

Better yet, contact Apex directly because they are the ones that made the trigger. They will have the best possible solution if you feel the flat trigger reset doesn't meet your standard. They will respond to you and if you don't get in touch with someone right away, they will call you back. They have a very knowledgeable staff.

good luck!

[Libertarian71]

Seriously, there are videos online as well as videos posted by Apex which could help you understand the descriptions given to you.

Better yet, contact Apex directly because they are the ones that made the trigger. They will have the best possible solution if you feel the flat trigger reset doesn't meet your standard. They will respond to you and if you don't get in touch with someone right away, they will call you back. They have a very knowledgeable staff.

good luck!

Thanks. I did check out some videos regarding the trigger bar loop adjustment. The problem, I think, is not with the Apex trigger, but because I have an M&P model with an older style slide stop. But I do plan on calling Apex.