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  • Beretta92FSfan
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 41

    Brand new Glock 17 issues ( need serious help )

    So I recently purchased a Glock 17 and followed the instructions and took it apart and cleaned and lubed it up as they recommended. I then took it to the local range to use 250 rounds of new quality 9mm 115 Fiocchi FMJ with my 2 brand new factory California 10 round magazines that came with it.

    Much to my surprise things started off horrible right off the bat. I was getting feeding failures every other round. I wasn't quite sure what the FTF issue was but there as an unfired round loaded a little farther in the chamber and a tilted round trying to feed, is this called a double feed?

    This kept happening literally every other round right off the start. This happened for 20 rounds ( for both brand new factory stock magazines ) until the range guy recommended I take it apart and inspect it and lube it up once more. I took it apart and looked it over and nothing looked seriously wrong so I lubed it and then was back at firing.

    This time the problem only seemed to occur every 5 rounds or so. I was getting very frustrated at this point and had no idea what I was going to do, that's when the problems started to occur less and less until there was the feed problem every 20-30 rounds or so. This happened for my remaining 200+ rounds ( I also got a single stove pipe during all this ). I was glad the problem no longer occured as often as it did at the start but am still not willing to bet my life on this firearm at it's current state.

    I'm still really perplexed why the problem was happening less and less and wondered if it had to do with the gun having to be broken in, the lubrication seeping into the right places, or the magazine springs becoming less stiff? ( anyone have any idea? )

    Once I went home I took apart the gun and was surprised to find it was doing this to my magazines, is this typical wear on a glock magazine? ( I'm guessing no, my gun was like cutting into mostly the sides of the top of the plastic as seen here:


    I also noticed these issues while inspecting the insides of the fire arm and was not sure if it's any cause for concern, the recoil spring rod looking a bit strange with a greyish color?


    Also I noticed A slight chip ( slight wear already? ) on the steel rails that were lubricated prior to firing


    Please note I was NOT limp wristing the firearm or riding the slide lock and other shooters at the range confirmed it so that can be confidently ruled out.

    Anyone have ANY idea what is happening? I hope it is magazine related and the magazine wear I showed pictures of is of great concern to me, I wanted to get your opinions and comments of it before I contacted Glock support. Also please note I was using the brand new factory California 10 rounders and no 3rd party anything.
  • #2
    perpetual otter
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2007
    • 5093

    Brand new Glock 17 issues ( need serious help )

    INB4 the limp wrist police.
    I provide opinions...
    At a rapid rate.

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    • #3
      meno377
      ?????
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jul 2013
      • 4911

      Did you have someone else shoot it at the range? I know you said that you weren't "limp wristing" but you should still have someone else maybe an RO to try it out.
      Originally posted by Fjold
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      • #4
        CinnamonBear723
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 1874

        I'm not a glock armorer by any means but it could be possible you got a lemon. I have a glock 17 and put thousands and thousands of rounds through it without issue. Even brand new I didn't have issues. Don't get me wrong, I trust my life, literally, to glocks but I would contact their customer service department and share your issues. I'm glad you took photos. I would send them to glock in an email so they can see it. Sorry I can't diagnose your problem, but I can tell you I own four different glocks and have not had a single issue with either of them.

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        • #5
          Mossy Man
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2011
          • 7641

          10 round Glock 9mm magazines (except G26) are known to cause problems.

          Buy yourself some blocked 10/17s and your problems will probably go away.

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          • #6
            Varg Vikernes
            Veteran Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 2831

            Sounds like the followers are the ****ty ones.

            Check what follower your magazines have. You want the 9mm3 followers.

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            • #7
              Beretta92FSfan
              Junior Member
              • Feb 2015
              • 41

              Originally posted by Varg Vikernes
              Sounds like the followers are the ****ty ones.

              Check what follower your magazines have. You want the 9mm3 followers.
              I think I have the 2183 followers? thats the number on the top of the feeding ramp right?

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              • #8
                Mossy Man
                Calguns Addict
                • Jun 2011
                • 7641

                Originally posted by Beretta92FSfan
                I think I have the 2183 followers? thats the number on the top of the feeding ramp right?
                those are the bad ones.

                Call up glock and tell them you live in CA and have 10 round magazines and need new followers due to failures.

                They'll send you some 9mm3 that may or may not work.

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                • #9
                  NATEWA
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 5977

                  Never a problem with my glocks. First, I would try some different ammo and magazine followers. If the problems persist, contact customer service.

                  Good luck

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                  • #10
                    PseudoTsuga
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 803

                    Also, aren't you supposed to shoot the heavier 147 grain rounds during break in? Something I've read anyway.
                    "Show me a hero and I'll write you a tragedy."
                    -F. Scott Fitzgerald

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                    • #11
                      meno377
                      ?????
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 4911

                      Originally posted by Mossy Man
                      10 round Glock 9mm magazines (except G26) are known to cause problems.

                      Buy yourself some blocked 10/17s and your problems will probably go away.
                      Funny, I have 15 10 round magazines and never had a problem when shooting IDPA
                      Originally posted by Fjold
                      I've been married so long that I don't even look both ways when I cross the street.
                      Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
                      -Milton Friedman


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                      • #12
                        Bob Hostetter
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 1291

                        I have used 10 round Glock magazines extensively and never had any problem with them.

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                        • #13
                          Beretta92FSfan
                          Junior Member
                          • Feb 2015
                          • 41

                          Originally posted by Mossy Man
                          those are the bad ones.

                          Call up glock and tell them you live in CA and have 10 round magazines and need new followers due to failures.

                          They'll send you some 9mm3 that may or may not work.
                          what about the marks on my magazines, is that typical or not?

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                          • #14
                            sueshake
                            Member
                            • Dec 2014
                            • 233

                            Originally posted by Beretta92FSfan
                            So I recently purchased a Glock 17 and followed the instructions and took it apart and cleaned and lubed it up as they recommended. I then took it to the local range to use 250 rounds of new quality 9mm 115 Fiocchi FMJ with my 2 brand new factory California 10 round magazines that came with it.

                            Much to my surprise things started off horrible right off the bat. I was getting feeding failures every other round. I wasn't quite sure what the FTF issue was but there as an unfired round loaded a little farther in the chamber and a tilted round trying to feed, is this called a double feed?

                            This kept happening literally every other round right off the start. This happened for 20 rounds ( for both brand new factory stock magazines ) until the range guy recommended I take it apart and inspect it and lube it up once more. I took it apart and looked it over and nothing looked seriously wrong so I lubed it and then was back at firing.

                            This time the problem only seemed to occur every 5 rounds or so. I was getting very frustrated at this point and had no idea what I was going to do, that's when the problems started to occur less and less until there was the feed problem every 20-30 rounds or so. This happened for my remaining 200+ rounds ( I also got a single stove pipe during all this ). I was glad the problem no longer occured as often as it did at the start but am still not willing to bet my life on this firearm at it's current state.

                            I'm still really perplexed why the problem was happening less and less and wondered if it had to do with the gun having to be broken in, the lubrication seeping into the right places, or the magazine springs becoming less stiff? ( anyone have any idea? )

                            Once I went home I took apart the gun and was surprised to find it was doing this to my magazines, is this typical wear on a glock magazine? ( I'm guessing no, my gun was like cutting into mostly the sides of the top of the plastic as seen here:


                            I also noticed these issues while inspecting the insides of the fire arm and was not sure if it's any cause for concern, the recoil spring rod looking a bit strange with a greyish color?


                            Also I noticed A slight chip ( slight wear already? ) on the steel rails that were lubricated prior to firing


                            Please note I was NOT limp wristing the firearm or riding the slide lock and other shooters at the range confirmed it so that can be confidently ruled out.

                            Anyone have ANY idea what is happening? I hope it is magazine related and the magazine wear I showed pictures of is of great concern to me, I wanted to get your opinions and comments of it before I contacted Glock support. Also please note I was using the brand new factory California 10 rounders and no 3rd party anything.
                            Have you tried to put less than 8 rd into the mag? That may help.

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                            • #15
                              Mossy Man
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 7641

                              Originally posted by meno377
                              Funny, I have 15 10 round magazines and never had a problem when shooting IDPA
                              some people have problems, some don't.

                              i have four 10-round magazines that have 2183 followers and they've run okay, but then again my G19 is a 2009ish run.

                              The newer guns with low capacity 10 round 9mm magazines have known and documented problems.

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